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Old 04-22-2013, 05:11 PM   #16
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You made a journal! !!! It looks MAGNIFICENT. Very well designed and all around great
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Old 04-26-2013, 12:48 AM   #18
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Nice detailed thread, I'm sure it will help anyone else in the future who's considering these little shelled critters.

Everything looks phenomenal! I've always wondered what it took to make a "realistic" 3D type background in a tank.

Amazing to see how many little steps in addition to the planning/design are involved to even get slightly close to this. Hope the cork wood where the water is going to be stays in place. Those things are very light.

Look forward to seeing the completed setup once you add the plants & get the waterfall fully operational.

The crabs sneaking out for lunch/dinner will be a extra bonus.
  • Try to make a video when you get finally introduce the crabs to their new home.

  • Are you planning to do a "dry start" to give the plants a chance to grow out a bit?

  • I hope you were able to renovate & add a few more caves like Gordon suggested.


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Nice detailed thread, I'm sure it will help anyone else in the future who's considering these little shelled critters.

Everything looks phenomenal! I've always wondered what it took to make a "realistic" 3D type background in a tank.

Amazing to see how many little steps in addition to the planning/design are involved to even get slightly close to this. Hope the cork wood where the water is going to be stays in place. Those things are very light.

Look forward to seeing the completed setup once you add the plants & get the waterfall fully operational.

The crabs sneaking out for lunch/dinner will be a extra bonus.
  • Try to make a video when you get finally introduce the crabs to their new home.

  • Are you planning to do a "dry start" to give the plants a chance to grow out a bit?

  • I hope you were able to renovate & add a few more caves like Gordon suggested.


**In case anyone else doesn't know.......
GS foam = GREAT STUFF™ brand foam manufactured by the DOW Chemical Company available at most hardware stores.
Thank you MSG. I will be adding the PVC pipes once I have the substrate in. I figured I'll just push the pvc into the substrate at varying angles and see which ones the crabs take. I was also thinking a coco hut or two like for darts if they actually want a cave/hut.

I'll try to weigh down the cork bark once I fill it. I was thinking of tying a rock to the bottom of each ramp. The ledge itself is wedged into the background pretty tightly so I don't think it will move. I'll have to see what happens.

As far as starting the whole thing, I wanted to wait until I'm back, just to make sure everything will run smoothly.

BTW I love the crab

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Old 04-26-2013, 03:51 AM   #20
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Bepflanzungsideen

I figured I'd just update a bit. There is no development in the build, but I thought maybe there are some orchid people on here that can evaluate my proposed fauna. I am planning to go for mainly orchids in the intermediate - warm temperature tolerance range.

I specifically like bulbophyllums, pleurothallis, lepanthes, masdevallia and haraella.

I'll just include a couple of pictures from around the web of some of the orchids I am looking to get. These are not final, nor all inclusive. I am planning to aesthetically cram as many orchids as I can. If anyone has any ideas or knows specifically that some of the orchids I am looking for won't work, let me know. Again, the pictures are not mine!

Aerangis luteo alba var. rhodosticta:


Madevallia haerradurae


Dryadella zebrina


Schoenorchis fragrans


Pleurothallis tribuloides


Pleurothallis resupinata


Masdevallia brachyura


Encyclia polybulbon


Dendrobium carronii


Ascocentrum pumilum


Barbosella handroi


Lepanthes calodictyon (this one is a huge maybe since it is supposed to be incredibly fragile and tends to not do well in vivaria; but my is it beautiful)


Bulbophyllum catelunatum


Haraella retrocalla


Jewel orchid: Macodes petola


Dendrobium lamayaiae


Bulbophyllum vinculibulbum


All of these are just ideas for leaf shape, color, and inflorescence. However, they are all similar as they are vivarium suited (more or less) and can take the warmer temperatures that I will be having. Again, these are not my pictures.

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Old 04-26-2013, 03:59 AM   #21
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wow great builder, nice skill
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Pretty cool man!
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Old 04-26-2013, 03:07 PM   #23
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Great work so far! The crabs really lend themselves to vivaria designed in a similar way for dendrobatids (dart frogs) so that is a great place for info.

As for the orchids - what kind of lid is going to be on the tank? The amount of humidity and air flow will really dictate what will work and what won't. I definitely haven't tried all of the ones on your list, but I have tried a couple, and I know of others that have tried some related species with good luck.

There are a lot of very knowledgeable people on Dendroboard in regards to orchids and vivaria. I had the best luck with orchids once moving to something with lower humidity and more air movement - which is just fine for the crabs - but harder for some of the frogs.

Of the orchids you posted, my experience has been the following:

Madevallia haerradurae - I lost this one. I could never find the appropriate amount of moisture that the roots wanted. It was either to dry or too wet.

Pleurothallis tribuloides - I am still working to make this one happy. It is chugging along, but I haven't gotten it to flower yet. I recently moved it to a place in the tank to allow its roots to dry out more and a little further away from the light, and it is doing OK. We will see.

Lepanthes calodictyon - I have not tried any Lepanthes yet, as I was under the impression that they really need a night time temp drop to be happy. If you are on Facebook - check out Planted Glass Boxes. He does a lot with terrarium orchids - and in particular has a lot of experience with Lepanthes.

Haraella retrocalla - I haven't tried this one either, but I seem to remember that a lot of people used to have good success with Haraella odorata in vivs.

Macodes petola - Wonderful little orchid. In my hands it was one of the more demanding jewel orchids. But it should do well in the right place in the tank - this one will want more humidity - so keep it lower. Black Jungle is a good source for Jewel orchids.

Others you didn't list but I have had success with:

Pleurothallis allenii - really cool purple flowers, slender leaves
Pleurothallis grobyi - neat miniature
Pleurothallis microphylla - tiny leaves, great grower
Pleurothallis determannii - very neat shingling pleurothallid - hard to find for sale it seems
Platystele vellota - really cool clusters of tiny flowers
Pleurothallis niveoglobula - constant flowerer, small white ball shaped flowers
Stelis morganii - nice vining-type orchid - prolific flowerer
Zootrophion hirtzii and serpentinum - again, vining type-growth
Trichosalpinx chamleolepanthes "pendant" - small, vining type orchid with veined leaves. Really neat growth pattern.
Restrepia spp. - almost all of them will do well. Brachypus, antenniferum - I had good luck with these even in humid frog tanks.
Sophronitis cernua - This orchid looks stunning when it flowers in a viv - one of my favorites

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Great work so far! The crabs really lend themselves to vivaria designed in a similar way for dendrobatids (dart frogs) so that is a great place for info.

As for the orchids - what kind of lid is going to be on the tank? The amount of humidity and air flow will really dictate what will work and what won't. I definitely haven't tried all of the ones on your list, but I have tried a couple, and I know of others that have tried some related species with good luck.

There are a lot of very knowledgeable people on Dendroboard in regards to orchids and vivaria. I had the best luck with orchids once moving to something with lower humidity and more air movement - which is just fine for the crabs - but harder for some of the frogs.

Of the orchids you posted, my experience has been the following:

Madevallia haerradurae - I lost this one. I could never find the appropriate amount of moisture that the roots wanted. It was either to dry or too wet.

Pleurothallis tribuloides - I am still working to make this one happy. It is chugging along, but I haven't gotten it to flower yet. I recently moved it to a place in the tank to allow its roots to dry out more and a little further away from the light, and it is doing OK. We will see.

Lepanthes calodictyon - I have not tried any Lepanthes yet, as I was under the impression that they really need a night time temp drop to be happy. If you are on Facebook - check out Planted Glass Boxes. He does a lot with terrarium orchids - and in particular has a lot of experience with Lepanthes.

Haraella retrocalla - I haven't tried this one either, but I seem to remember that a lot of people used to have good success with Haraella odorata in vivs.

Macodes petola - Wonderful little orchid. In my hands it was one of the more demanding jewel orchids. But it should do well in the right place in the tank - this one will want more humidity - so keep it lower. Black Jungle is a good source for Jewel orchids.

Others you didn't list but I have had success with:

Pleurothallis allenii - really cool purple flowers, slender leaves
Pleurothallis grobyi - neat miniature
Pleurothallis microphylla - tiny leaves, great grower
Pleurothallis determannii - very neat shingling pleurothallid - hard to find for sale it seems
Platystele vellota - really cool clusters of tiny flowers
Pleurothallis niveoglobula - constant flowerer, small white ball shaped flowers
Stelis morganii - nice vining-type orchid - prolific flowerer
Zootrophion hirtzii and serpentinum - again, vining type-growth
Trichosalpinx chamleolepanthes "pendant" - small, vining type orchid with veined leaves. Really neat growth pattern.
Restrepia spp. - almost all of them will do well. Brachypus, antenniferum - I had good luck with these even in humid frog tanks.
Sophronitis cernua - This orchid looks stunning when it flowers in a viv - one of my favorites

I was planning to have a vent that goes the entire length of the lid. I will construct it out of no-see-um screen and the regular "home-made" screen frames you can get at home depot. I then wanted to use a glass lid with a hole in one side in the front, either left or right (I have no idea which would be better) and attach a 12V computer fan to it that will turn on during the day randomly to aid in air exchange. I was hoping that that would work.

I am not yet clear on the exact dimensions, and I have to find a place in Boston that can custom make the glass and especially be able to drill it.

I was thinking of constructing the top like this (crappy paint version):


Will this work? Will this be too much or too little ventilation? Also, should I have one plate or two plates of glass for the top (length is 30", width would be 9")? Any ideas are welcome.
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Old 04-26-2013, 05:44 PM   #25
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This is very neat, subbed!
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I think it will work - but you are just going to have to keep a close eye on all of the orchids and adjust their position in the tank as needed. You will probably lose some - but that is the challenge with growing orchids in tanks.

I think a single pane 5/16 or 1/4 should be fine; I wouldn't go 1/8" if you are going to put the light on it.

Is there a reason you are going to use No-See Um mesh and not something with bigger holes? Is it just because you plan on feeding a lot of FFs? The small holes will limit airflow more.
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I think it will work - but you are just going to have to keep a close eye on all of the orchids and adjust their position in the tank as needed. You will probably lose some - but that is the challenge with growing orchids in tanks.

I think a single pane 5/16 or 1/4 should be fine; I wouldn't go 1/8" if you are going to put the light on it.

Is there a reason you are going to use No-See Um mesh and not something with bigger holes? Is it just because you plan on feeding a lot of FFs? The small holes will limit airflow more.
I heard that FFs do present a good source of nutrition and that the crabs enjoy catching them. I am not at all attached to the possibility of having to culture FFs, but that was the reason for the no see um. If I don't need FFs and crickets, springtails, isopods, worms, and dry food work then I don't see a reason why I couldn't go with larger mesh and allow for more airflow.

Will it matter which side I put the fan? Also, how often should I turn it on and off?
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What did you use to cover up the egg crates? Is that all great stuff?

Also, I suggest some mosss for the caves. Java would look good both in and out of the water, so long as it is wet. Also, are you going to stock it with anything besides the crabs?

It looks great! I'll definately keep watching this.
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What did you use to cover up the egg crates? Is that all great stuff?

Also, I suggest some mosss for the caves. Java would look good both in and out of the water, so long as it is wet. Also, are you going to stock it with anything besides the crabs?

It looks great! I'll definately keep watching this.
Thank you!

All of the starter plants have been, or will be shipped within the next week or so. I am very much looking forward to getting this project moving, since it's been a while. The good thing about letting it sit so long is that any hint of a glue smell is gone (for now at least). Hopefully I'll be able to plant (and seed) this weekend.

The orchids won't ship out until next week though. That part I am very much looking forward to. Hopefully, I won't immediately kill them since I have very little orchid experience.

The egg crate is covered in weed block mesh/fabric stuff. Looking back though, I'd suggest screen rather than weed block since screen drains better.

There will be moss along the background (I have tropical moss already ordered and it should arrive soon). I will furthermore plant java moss and HC and H. sibthorpioides along the waters edge along with crypts in the marginal zone. I'll just see what happens.

I am planning to put some guppies into the water feature. Initially, I wanted to stock it with some wild bettas, but I heard that the crabs enjoy catching fish, and that wouldn't be very desirable with bettas. Eventually I'll also stock some RCS. At least that's the plan for now. Who knows how it'll change. Potentially, I was also thinking a small school of habrosus but that's definitely not the immediate goal nor plan.
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The first shipment of plants arrived. Finally, after a long wait, I will be able to continue this project. I will be planting today. Next week, the orchids should arrive.

Regardless, here are some of the plants I have so far:

Korean Rock Fern


Bromeliad Wee willy


Bromeliad Chiquita Linda plus pup


Button Fern


Assorted Tillandsias


Dischidia ruscifolia


Peperomia Noid


Peperomia mini melon


I also have some selaginella, HC and some marginals waiting to be planted. For the background, I got some tropical moss mix that can be "painted" on by adding some water.
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