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Old 03-30-2013, 05:26 AM   #1
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My very first journal, I hope it goes well. After study up on Crystal Red Shrimp quite a bit, I decided to finally make a move and start putting this together. I was wanting to invest more in plants and shrimp, so I went with a standard Aqueon. I also plan to add some Pumpkin Orange. Here are some specs.

Tank: 10 gallon Aqueon (derimmed!)
Filter: AquaClear 30 (Waiting for it to come)
Lighting: Finnex Fugeray (Waiting for it to come)
Substrate: NEW Amazonia (Waiting for it to come)
Hardscape: Manzanita from Save-on-Crafts (Waiting for it to come)

Total cost: ~$150 maybe more

Well derimming went off to a good start, but about 3/4 way through I got a bit too excited and you know what happens when you rush tedious tasks involving a razor sharp X-acto knife... All better now, but it was bleeding uncontrollably.


Well despite that fatality the derimming went well . No chips, scratches and I did my best to remove as much silicon as possible. Promptly ordered some mosses and SS mesh (thanks H4n!). Flora:

Taiwan Moss (wall)
Mini Xmas Moss (midground)
Flame Moss (background)
Mini Fissidens (foreground)
Fissidens (glued to Manzanita)

*Please ignore the random junk in the photos.

And yes I realize I haven't made much progress and it's still a bit boring so here are some pix of my dragons Spike and Ruby. Ah, and anything the beginning Caridina newb should know? Any feed back accepted. I was going to get Purigen, a sponge filter and stuff like that but my budget was drained by the time I thought of those things.

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Old 04-01-2013, 03:08 AM   #2
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Not really much of an update but I was doing some stuff. UPS ground is soooo slow!

I wanted to find a way to lower my ph and my kh so I could house some other species of shrimp, however I have heard weird things about using API's ph down or really any other chemical "ph down". Here are some questions I wanted to answer and I couldn't find much info online so I decided to do an informal experiment. BTW I really have no idea why I have this, it was just sitting with all my other chems.

1. How long does the it affect the parameters assuming nothing (stones, dw, etc) is buffering the water. Will it (the ph) bounce back?
2. How many drops required to lower the ph a certain amount?

I have 2 one pint jars both filled with tap. My tap ph is 7.6+ so I added ph down until it read 6.0 (4 drops). I measured kh, and sure enough the one with added ph down read 1, whereas the control needed 2. In order to make sure it's not a random occurrence I tested multiple jars. 3 jars for adjusted ph and still 1 kh. 3 jars for controls, all same results. So I think I can assume that the stuff lowers both kh and ph.

I will check ph and kh again tomorrow to see if there are any differences, as in if it's only a temporary fix. The idea is that buffering substrates will not absorb stuff forever if you change water using tap, so why not adjust the tap's kh and ph? In addition to a longer buffering soil, sensitive shrimp will not be as stressed after a water change because I'm not changing in 7.6 ph water.

I really really hope that this will end up good. So I won't have to use RO.
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you have a good start here. I will be watching for pics of the completed set up. I cannot personally give you advice on the Cardina family as I too am just now beginning.

If you can swing $200 or so for an RO unit give it some thought. I got mine from Buckeye Field Supply. Very helpful people. If I remember correctly I have dealt with Russ. He also is an aquarist. If you go this route your local water does not matter, just remineralize to your nessessary values with a remineralize product of your choosing. Plus it is so much tastier for you to drink than the chlorinated junk from the tap.

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Old 04-01-2013, 03:21 PM   #4
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Subscribed, tank sounds like it will be pretty dang sweet!
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You can get an RO unit for a lot less that $200 FYI and it will pay for itself keeping shrimp like CRS, unless you are lucky and have good tap water for them.

Stay away from chemicals that lower or raise pH. Using them is asking for problems. RO water, remineralizer, and buffering substrate is the best way to go.
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I found a portable RO system that is $75 shipped! Only 50gpd but I think that's enough for my needs. Now I need to come up with the cash.
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Those "portable" systems can end up costing you much more in the long run. Especially when you can get a full-size system for not much more. The big myth is that full-size systems aren't portable and they are. I even attach mine to standard bathroom faucets, no plumbing work required.

Before buying an RO/DI unit, be sure you're googling the heck out of your vendor. There are a couple terrible companies out there that will take your money, send you low-quality equipment and never provide service on their claimed warranty.
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^Thanks somewhat shocked. Would purewaterclub.com be a good site to buy my filter? Where do you recommend to buy from? This is what I'm looking at. http://www.purewaterclub.com/catalog...roducts_id=399

Today my Fugeray, feeding dishes, and Aquaclear arrived. I'll take pics when that aquasoil arrives. And manzanita. I find that companies other than Amazon ship a lot more slowly, even if it's all on UPS ground. Ugh patience is a hard virtue.
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those are some sweet lizards!!!!!

oh btw i feel your pain about derimming those 10gals, I cut myself almost the same exact way derimming thw two 10gals
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Great dragons. Are they friendly/interactive?

Great to see your journal, hopefully it'll progress well.

It already was stated: don't use PH up or down. Try a buffering substrate with RO water.

If you have any more questions ill be game to answer them. I set up a pretty successful CRS tank recently.
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The lizards are really fun. They interact kinda like a cat or dog, and actually like to be handled. They were my first "own" pets, probably like 4 years old by now.

MABJ, where should I buy an RODI system? I was looking at something in this price range, like this: http://www.purewaterclub.com/catalog...roducts_id=399 Where'd you get yours?
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That's really neat!!

To be honest, I wouldn't invest in one just yet.

It is really easy to buy 1gallon jugs of RO water (green Cap at Walmart) at .88 each or RO refills from the Walmart culligan machine for .37 each gallon.

RO units pay off over time, and for one or two nanos, I might just suggest doing the jug method.

To keep a good CRS tank, you'll be doing minimal water changes, just top offs and bi-weekly changes if you don't keep floaters. So you won't need much water.
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Ah thanks for the insight. However I don't have a car yet and my parents don't delight in driving 10 miles to Walmart so I probably have to stock up big time the next time I go. Which will be a while from now.

But, I *may* be able to convince my folks that the RO system is to be used for drinking water (when in reality I would use it for my tanks ) so they *might* actually buy one for me.
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Hmm I can only say search RO unit and see what others here can buy.

That's not a bad idea though
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