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Old 03-31-2013, 09:54 PM   #1
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help setting up a ADA 30C for CBS/CRS


so im getting another 30C, and really want to finally get some caridinas to breed. i tried both crystals and tigers before, but they never bred for me, just died off one by one over 6 months.
but both times, i made a typical planted tank, and then went to add shrimp to it. now im gonna make the tank specifically for the shrimp.

so its gonna be low-light/no CO2. and instead of tap water, im gonna use RO/DI, and remineralize it. but there are so many choices out there for remineralization, which ones are the good ones youd reccomend?

for filtration, i know sponge filters probably the way to go, but could i perhaps just put a stainless steel strainer on a HOB intake, and maybe a sponge over that? i will use a sponge filter if i really need to, but i want the tank to also be displayable, and sponge filters are pretty ugly.

i was reccomended to use fluval shrimp stratum. thoughts on this? ive also heard of akadama being used.
i also want to use sand in the foreground, but im sure that wont be an issue.
however, im also thinking about putting aquasoil around any rootfeeding plants i have in there, is that acceptable?
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Just use ada amazonia. Will work best for your application and great for crystals. I would do a sponge and hob

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Yeah doing both a HOB and sponge filter will offer you a great amount of filtration.

There is no harm in over-filtering your tank

Besides, the cheap price of the sponge filter gives you a good chance of breeding shrimp. It acts as a filter/a food source/surface agitator.

To me having it in a breeding tank is a must lol.
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For most of your questions, hop over to the invert forum. They are all routinely answered there.

There was just a poll that found Salty Shrimp Bee remineralizer was a favorite. Shirakura Ca+ is a favorite of mine.

Be careful with HOBs. The curious buggers were quick to find a way into them. Always.
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Shop list:

Equipment
-Aquasoil Amazonia
-Aquaclear 30 HOB filter
-Fluval prefilter sponge

Misc
-Indian Almond Leaves
-Cholla Wood
-Moss (I preferred fissidens over any moss)
-Fluval Shrimp Mineral Supplement (1ml per 1 gallon of RO gave me 5gh)
-Mosura CRS Specialty Food and or Mosura Excel


That's basically it, atleast in my setup.
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use an eheim 2211 either to a UGF or with a stainless steel intake strainer. shrimp always find a way into an HOB, either by going up the intake or up the waterfall, doesn't make a difference to them, they just want to get inside the filter. Also, lets face it, an HOB on an ADA tank doesn't look good, looks like a turd on tinsel.
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For most of your questions, hop over to the invert forum. They are all routinely answered there.

There was just a poll that found Salty Shrimp Bee remineralizer was a favorite. Shirakura Ca+ is a favorite of mine.

Be careful with HOBs. The curious buggers were quick to find a way into them. Always.
this invert forum? or another website.
i worried about this. tried canisters with my cherries, and would dump 20+ shrimp out of it and back into the tank every month. same thing with HOBs huh?

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use an eheim 2211 either to a UGF or with a stainless steel intake strainer. shrimp always find a way into an HOB, either by going up the intake or up the waterfall, doesn't make a difference to them, they just want to get inside the filter. Also, lets face it, an HOB on an ADA tank doesn't look good, looks like a turd on tinsel.
i didnt know they could climb up the waterfall.
agree with you on the aesthetics. guess ill need to shell out for another eheim.
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here is a question i recently thought of: since i will be using RODI water, should i be adding any source of carbonate to it? i know CRS preffer low kh, but absolutely 0ppm is too low isnt it?
or would the remineralizers already have the correct amount in them?
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here is a question i recently thought of: since i will be using RODI water, should i be adding any source of carbonate to it? i know CRS preffer low kh, but absolutely 0ppm is too low isnt it?
or would the remineralizers already have the correct amount in them?
I keep my kh at 0.

Raising kh of RODI water seems counter productive to me. By raising kh of your RODI water you just make it so that your active substrate works harder to change the ph of your RODI water to its desired level.

kh 0 will make it so that RODI ph will quickly change to the tank's ph making the water chemistry stable.

Shrimps like the same ole same ole water chemistry they are adjusted to. The less amount+duration of change they experience the better.
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remin will already have gh in it. KH you won't need.
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Doesn't matter if you add kh, your substrate will lower it to zero in minutes
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cool. so ill just leave the kh at about 0.

im stilling trying to figure out which remineralizer to use. so many white powder additives for shrimp, lol.
got 3 different answers, fluval, salty shrimp, and shirakura. could you guys just list off what you use in your crystal's tanks? and if you use any other suppliments (like the white mineral rock, or substrate additives, or the liquid vitamins and stuff)?
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I use Fluval Shrimp Remineralizer. And for other supplements I use mineral balls: Ebiken Shou and Nagomi.
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My vote is to plumb some UGF pipes and go that route to eliminate the "ugly" sponge filter that you won't be needing afterwards.

You can use an Eheim 2211 or something smaller should work fine as well.

ADA AS is perfect for CRS/CBS. Just need to make sure it cycles properly before adding shrimp. Sand shouldn't be an issue if it's just for aesthetics. ADA AS will be doing all the buffering work for you.
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yeah, i remember coming across a DIY UGF, i think you were the one that wrote it.
what was/is your experience with that? and would it be ok to plant heavy-rooting plants like crypts in such a tank, or would they clog the intake. also, is there any way to clean the UGF intake, without basically emptying the whole tank?
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