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Old 04-10-2013, 05:23 PM   #46
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Here's a pic after the first shipment of plants came in...planting was stressful part of the time, peaceful at others I'm trying to get good levels of KH and GH right now. Ammonia levels would kill a fish if it got within a mile of my tank...I'll probably be doing a huge water change tomorrow. There are three LUDWIGIA REPENS X L. ARCUATA behind the big stones that I hope will grow and peak over, and the gentleman that I bought this shipment from through in some hygro bold as a gift that I planted on the left side. Also, I ended up buying some more h. tellenum from a store near by. Here's what's in so far:

30-Marsilea minuta
glosso 2x2
4-Helanthium tenellum
6-Rotala Indica Rotundrafolia
3-HYDROCOTYLE VERTICILLATA
3-LUDWIGIA REPENS X L. ARCUATA
2-CYPERUS HELFERI
5-Alternanthera reineckii 'rosaefolia'
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Old 04-14-2013, 11:00 AM   #47
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Here's a pic after the first shipment of plants came in...planting was stressful part of the time, peaceful at others I'm trying to get good levels of KH and GH right now.
When I set my tank up it was going through that much KH powder it wasn't funny. eventually it settled down. That was before I even planted it or had any stock in it. So don't worry too much. GH shouldn't be too hard though if you have soft water, but maybe you don't.

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Ammonia levels would kill a fish if it got within a mile of my tank...I'll probably be doing a huge water change tomorrow.
Since there are no fish is ammonia so bad? Plants prefer it over NO3 (nitrate) as a N source. But i'm not sure what level is too high for plants. High ammonia is the best thing for cycling too. What levels are we taking here?

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There are three LUDWIGIA REPENS X L. ARCUATA behind the big stones that I hope will grow and peak over, and the gentleman that I bought this shipment from through in some hygro bold as a gift that I planted on the left side. Also, I ended up buying some more h. tellenum from a store near by. Here's what's in so far:

30-Marsilea minuta
glosso 2x2
4-Helanthium tenellum
6-Rotala Indica Rotundrafolia
3-HYDROCOTYLE VERTICILLATA
3-LUDWIGIA REPENS X L. ARCUATA
2-CYPERUS HELFERI
5-Alternanthera reineckii 'rosaefolia'
Ok, my impression is that there are some problems with your plants in terms of look. Obviously when it grows in it will change, but I feel you have lost the scale you had with just your hardscape. Mainly due to the few large leafed plants you have. eg the long grass looking one and the red one on the right.

Other than that I think it look good. Can't wait for it to grow.

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Old 04-15-2013, 06:01 PM   #48
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The long grass seems out of place. But if you like it that is all that matters. I expected I guess to see the much more likely mostly carpet look. Which frankly is getting overdone but always looks amazing. So kudos to you if you are breaking the mold.

Was anyone else feeling Superman's Fortress of Solitude in the pics organizing how these rocks would go? LOL.
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Old 04-15-2013, 09:51 PM   #49
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I like the path of rocks!
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So, the ammonia has reached 4 or a little more before a water change. Toxic for fish obviously, but I think it's fine for the plants.

I had a white cloudiness that developed a day or two ago. I think it was a bacterial bloom. When I read up on it, I discovered that it's normal when cycling a tank. It's nearly gone now.

However, the BBA is having it's way. Reading up on that hasn't given me any warm fuzzes!

As far as the plants go, I decided to go with plants that demanded little as far as CO2 and light. I was mindful of the leaf size. However, I recognized that a low-tech setup really limits options. I wanted some color and some variation of leaf shape to keep things interesting. Combine those desires with my inexperience, not knowing their size and shape from handling them but only reading, and this is whacha get.

In the end, I'm happy with the result thus far, considering my limitations. I expect some plants won't make it, and as time goes by, I'll become more familiar with things. So, patiently I wait to see the evolution of the scape from season to season.

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When I set my tank up it was going through that much KH powder it wasn't funny. eventually it settled down. That was before I even planted it or had any stock in it. So don't worry too much. GH shouldn't be too hard though if you have soft water, but maybe you don't.



Since there are no fish is ammonia so bad? Plants prefer it over NO3 (nitrate) as a N source. But i'm not sure what level is too high for plants. High ammonia is the best thing for cycling too. What levels are we taking here?



Ok, my impression is that there are some problems with your plants in terms of look. Obviously when it grows in it will change, but I feel you have lost the scale you had with just your hardscape. Mainly due to the few large leafed plants you have. eg the long grass looking one and the red one on the right.

Other than that I think it look good. Can't wait for it to grow.

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Old 04-15-2013, 10:59 PM   #51
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YEAHSUPERMAN!

The long grass was quite a surprise to me when it came. I thought is was going to look more like the jungle val that just came (and I thought the jungle val would be more like the other)...Anyway, I threw it in as is and kind of like it. The tank seems to be taking on its own personality...which isn't all that bad.

Of course, my eye has been drawn to the carpet look, and my desire was to recreate it. However, I'm pretty committed to the low-tech world where such things are hard to come by. I am trying to bring some of that goodness through though with the marsilea minuata, glosso, and h. tenellem. It will take some time for those to fill in though...if they make it.

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The long grass seems out of place. But if you like it that is all that matters. I expected I guess to see the much more likely mostly carpet look. Which frankly is getting overdone but always looks amazing. So kudos to you if you are breaking the mold.

Was anyone else feeling Superman's Fortress of Solitude in the pics organizing how these rocks would go? LOL.
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Old 04-15-2013, 11:03 PM   #52
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Thanks! Though I can't take credit for it really...it was another planted tanker's idea: Farmer

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So, the ammonia has reached 4 or a little more before a water change. Toxic for fish obviously, but I think it's fine for the plants.
I know ADA aquasoil recommends that you change water often but it produces a lot of ammonia. Here is a link I found but I don't have time to red it now, looks interesting tough. I may have been wrong about ammonia and plants. You will have to decide yourself. But I do know that high levels of ammonia is good fro starting your cycle.

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However, the BBA is having it's way. Reading up on that hasn't given me any warm fuzzes!
I'm not an expert in this but your problem will either be too much light or not enough CO2. Have a look at the Barr Report. It's a great website. All the threads I have looked at with people having algae issues were solved with increasing CO2 or decreasing light. Since you have no CO2 injection then you will probably have to adjust your light. As always prevention is better than cure.

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As far as the plants go, I decided to go with plants that demanded little as far as CO2 and light. I was mindful of the leaf size. However, I recognized that a low-tech setup really limits options. I wanted some color and some variation of leaf shape to keep things interesting. Combine those desires with my inexperience, not knowing their size and shape from handling them but only reading, and this is whacha get.
It will be fine I'm sure. Just wan't what I was expecting. Hindsight is a great thing. I would have just advised using larger rocks and tried to steer you away from the canyon look. but you can always tweak it and replace things if they are not what you like.

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In the end, I'm happy with the result thus far, considering my limitations. I expect some plants won't make it, and as time goes by, I'll become more familiar with things. So, patiently I wait to see the evolution of the scape from season to season.
Great!

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Thanks! Though I can't take credit for it really...it was another planted tanker's idea: Farmer
You can take credit mate. You did it. Advice is one thing but doing it is another.

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Old 04-22-2013, 01:18 AM   #55
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I wanted to add an updated picture of the scape...
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