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Old 03-21-2013, 12:13 PM   #16
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Farmer, thanks for the suggestion! I appreciate some criticism and insight into possibilities. I'll give it a go. However, one thing that I really like with the way they are is the gap between the two structures is reminiscent of a canyon. I was thinking about running some white or beige sand through that area in the midst of a black ADA AS substrate. If I flip the structures, I either lose that, or need to restructure to gain it back.
Ultimately it's up to you but I don't think what I'm suggesting will rule out that idea you have. I also imagined a 'path' or 'gap' between the two. It will just mean it's a more interesting canyon IMO.

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Old 03-21-2013, 04:44 PM   #17
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Looks nice, i like the layout, i don't think the stones look unnatural either
Thanks for the input, Mty!
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Old 03-21-2013, 11:16 PM   #18
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Ok, so I tried to rough the edges a bit, but the rocks just crack. I'm happy with the way they are.

Here is option 2 for a scape. Tell me what your thoughts are! Thank you!
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Old 03-21-2013, 11:35 PM   #19
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I like the 1st one better; it's more unique.
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I like the 1st one better; it's more unique.
+1, 1st setup has a more natural panoramic landscape
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Old 03-22-2013, 06:56 AM   #21
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+1, 1st setup has a more natural panoramic landscape
Hey, thanks for the input! I can see what y'all are sayin'. I'm wondering if a combination of the best elements of both would be a better option...or can is option 1 as good as it gets?
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Hey, thanks for the input! I can see what y'all are sayin'. I'm wondering if a combination of the best elements of both would be a better option...or can is option 1 as good as it gets?
I like the left of option 2 but the RHS just doesn't fit with the LHS. I think that's your problem. This is probably because in nature rocks like this are all on the same angle unless hey have broken off the main formation.

Once you get some substrate in there it will be better because you can raise the formations and work your way down to the front of the tank. Also at the moment you are having to use the rock to hold each other in place. When you get substrate in then you will be able to have better control over how you want them to sit. For instance you don't have to have them touching each other and can have gaps and cracks.

One trick I have be taught when you have a path or similar leading off into the background it always looks better if it disappears before it reaches the glass. For instance it might go out of view behind a rock or such. This creates the illusion of more depth. Have a look at some tanks with paths and you'll see what I mean.

If you aren't totally happy when you look at option one (or two) then it's not as good as it gets. If you like elements of both then try it out.

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Stand is in place. Tank is set. Equipment at the ready.

Aquasoil is in.

Hardscape is slightly different, but worked from the first set up. What do you think? Is is better than the first? Would you make changes?

Thanks for looking!
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Old 03-25-2013, 06:53 AM   #24
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it looks cool. You're giving me ideas now
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Old 03-25-2013, 12:27 PM   #25
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Stand is in place. Tank is set. Equipment at the ready.

Aquasoil is in.

Hardscape is slightly different, but worked from the first set up. What do you think? Is is better than the first? Would you make changes?

Thanks for looking!
Great! it looks so much better now you have substrate to work with.

First of all I like it how it is. But I will make suggestions of how I think you can do better.

At least I think you could do these things.

1)put the RHS rocks on more of a lean. This will both bring the largest pointy rock onto the third line but I think they would just look better. Either that or have none of them on and angle.

2)put the large rock second from the left on more of an angle to match the right. Stand the left most rock up too the same angle. The reason being the two groups are clashing rather than harmonising as they are. The small group of rocks at the right front is great and is a scape of it's own. I like that a lot.

3) add a bit more substrate at the back, or put some gravel under it if you don't want or have more aquasoil.

I have digitally messed around with the scape and done some swapping. obviously I can only do so much and it is not the same as I can do in my head but I'll show you anyway...

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Ok, so with this one try and ignor that the rocks are not in perspective and such. but here I have moved the right rocks further to the right so the largest rock is 1/3 the distance from the right side of the tank. I think no matter what you do you should do this. You want to try and avoid your 'stream' being in the center of the tank. I also added a couple of rocks but I can't get them to look like I want (on an angle like the rest).


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this one I was trying to swap the arrangement but couldn't get it to look right, I just posted it anyway.

Anyway, whatever you do it should look good.

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Old 03-25-2013, 04:33 PM   #26
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Great! it looks so much better now you have substrate to work with.

First of all I like it how it is. But I will make suggestions of how I think you can do better.

At least I think you could do these things.

1)put the RHS rocks on more of a lean. This will both bring the largest pointy rock onto the third line but I think they would just look better. Either that or have none of them on and angle.

2)put the large rock second from the left on more of an angle to match the right. Stand the left most rock up too the same angle. The reason being the two groups are clashing rather than harmonising as they are. The small group of rocks at the right front is great and is a scape of it's own. I like that a lot.

3) add a bit more substrate at the back, or put some gravel under it if you don't want or have more aquasoil.

I have digitally messed around with the scape and done some swapping. obviously I can only do so much and it is not the same as I can do in my head but I'll show you anyway...

Attachment 112930

Ok, so with this one try and ignor that the rocks are not in perspective and such. but here I have moved the right rocks further to the right so the largest rock is 1/3 the distance from the right side of the tank. I think no matter what you do you should do this. You want to try and avoid your 'stream' being in the center of the tank. I also added a couple of rocks but I can't get them to look like I want (on an angle like the rest).


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this one I was trying to swap the arrangement but couldn't get it to look right, I just posted it anyway.

Anyway, whatever you do it should look good.

Lindsay
Thank you! So helpful. I'm going to tinker with these ideas. I did line up the top peak with the golden ratio...measured it and everything (it may even be an inch or so to the right of my mark). I'm wondering if it isn't coming out on the picture due to two dimensional perspective.

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I've made some minor adjustments to the stones, added some more aquasoil, sloped it more up the stones, and experimented with some ideas with the pool filter sand via paint.

Votes? Or other ideas?
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As the tank develops, keeping the white sand white becomes a challenge. I would recomend the option with the smallest volume of filter sand. On top of that, having a physical barrier (plastic or rocks) might be a good initial investment that will reduce frustrations in the future.
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Old 03-26-2013, 09:02 AM   #29
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Thank you! So helpful. I'm going to tinker with these ideas. I did line up the top peak with the golden ratio...measured it and everything (it may even be an inch or so to the right of my mark). I'm wondering if it isn't coming out on the picture due to two dimensional perspective.
That's fine. I was using 1/3rds not the golden ratio (which is slightly different). Also you are right and the 3D version is hard to see in 2D.

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Oh. let's see if I can fix it. Like I said though, they aren't as good as I pictured.





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Old 03-26-2013, 09:32 AM   #30
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I've made some minor adjustments to the stones, added some more aquasoil, sloped it more up the stones, and experimented with some ideas with the pool filter sand via paint.

Votes? Or other ideas?
The adjustments you made in the left are great. The lower profile on the left gives a better balance to the height of the RHS.

As far as your white sand. I like the canyon/stream but I also like the first pic with no stream. I agree with Rcguerra. So perhaps you can try just contrasting the aquasoil with a gravel of some type with a few larger rock fragments. Much lower maintenance.

TBH I rarely like white sand. So I am biased. However one tank I love has only white sand, or pale sand.



You could get something going like this...

http://www.mikeedmondson.com.au/imag...e_c_mt_kos.jpg

or this...

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/i...JhcsuFbQAERAKQ

Both are lakes in Mt Kosciuszko National park (Australia). They show what I mean by the gravel with larger rock fragments to represent the boulders in the pictures.

So I like images one and two of yours.

I like this scape

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