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Old 10-12-2003, 11:27 PM   #1
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On my 29g I have a filstar XP2 canister running. I recently had an unexplained ammonia spike,that has now resulted in a bunch of cloudy water. The water parameters are fine, I just can't beat this cloudy water non-sense. It seems to get better at night hen the lights are all off, but worse during the day. I have heard a black out hurts your plants more then anything, so I do not want to take that route. I have done partial and more then partial water changes. I am getting really frustrated, and ready to drain the whole dam thing. What should I do?
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Old 10-13-2003, 12:06 AM   #2
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Matt,

I had a cloudy water issue a while back...it would get worse during the day. Unfortunately I think it is Green water in its early stages. Roger Miller here in Albuquerque suggested using a flocculant to get the fine particles out of suspension in the water and then filtering em out mechanically....here is a link to something on the subject. Personally a 24 or 48 hour blackout in my mind wont harm your plants. Just me though. I have forgotten to turn the lights on over the weekend and the plants were fine.

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Old 10-13-2003, 01:11 AM   #3
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OK, I have a couple questions that are really going to make me look stupid.... but since I really want to solve this it's a small price.


1) What is flocculant.
2) I have heard good things about HOT magnum filters, but they are expensive. I would also be concerned because I like the XP2.. is the magnum something I use only for a small period of time? It just seems like a waste?
3) Also UV sterilizers are expensive, I do not know enough about them to invest the money.

This is really frustrating, I don't want to spend a ton of money just for this problem.
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Old 10-13-2003, 01:25 AM   #4
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You don't have to spend a dime if you're willing to wait it out. But be warned, It could get worse before it gets better.

IMO, you got two choices:
1)Drive yourself nuts and try to control the situation with filters and blackouts and chemicals.
2) Cut down the light cycle to about 10 hrs a day, water change every couple days, and wait for a couple weeks.

Your tank is fairly new and it's trying to find a balance. It'll find one sooner if you just let it.

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Old 10-13-2003, 01:29 AM   #5
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That's a good point. I was just concerned that if I did nothing it will only get worse and never get better. If I can borrow a hot magnum filter from my Friend to clean it out and only use it for a week, will it come back after I remove the hot magnum?
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It might come back after you remove the magnum. Green water is usually caused by an excess of nutrients and a lack of bio-bacteria to consume it. The algae steps in as a consumer of the nutrients. If you let the algae consume the nutrients it'll end quicker but might be uglier in the interim.

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So I should wait it out... while lower my photo period? Should I be doing water changes during this... or does this add to the nutrients for the algae to feed on? Maybe try doing nothing?
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I would just do nothing. Your tap water may actually be making the situation worse. Maybe just shorten the photo period. Do you have any idea whats in your local water?

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My tap water is really hard, and has high PH. I have been mixing a little tap water with RO water. I am just concern that any water changes will only be adding nutrients for the algae to feed on.
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Have you tested for nitrates and phosphates in the tap water?
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Nitrates are fine.
Phosphates are at 0.
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Old 10-13-2003, 02:55 PM   #12
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Matt,

Lot of good posts above. I agree on the do nothing part. Your tank will find its balance In my opinion just by waiting and reducing the lighting period.

I went through the cloudy water phase and did the flocculant (this is a substance that takes fine particles out of suspension by binding them together to make bigger particles...thus making it easier for your mechanical media (floss) to take them out) and DE route. This worked great but the cloudy water kept coming back...less each day but still came back.

I now just let the tank run its course.

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Old 10-13-2003, 05:02 PM   #13
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I am letting it run it's course. I have been trying flocculate, I just did not know that's what it's called. The product I got does not seem to work that well. Is there one that anyone recommends?
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Old 10-15-2003, 11:27 PM   #14
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Alright well I did a day and a half "1/2 black out".. what does that mean? Well during the day I left some lights on in the room for my plants, but turned off the aquarium light. And now... IT'S CLEAR... and has been for a while... fingers crossed it will stay that way.

The only down side is my fish are a little confused I think... and my plants are looking a little gloomy.. but they will soon perk back up. I am SO SO SO SO glad I did not have to buy anything for this fix. It does take patience, which I know is really hard... I stuggle myself with it... a lot.

Thank you everyone for your help.
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Old 11-03-2003, 06:11 AM   #15
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I just setup my 135G tank all it has right now is aqual soil and on top pea gravel. I've put the water in last week and it got a little cloudy for the first 2 days and then it cleared out. Then 2 days later it's cloudy again, is this a common accurance? I was thinking of dumping the water again but would really appreciate any input, there's nothing in the tank except for substrate with eheim 2028 and 2128 filters..

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