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Old 03-04-2013, 11:43 PM   #1
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I currently have Flourish Excel/Comprehensive


I have a 10g which has 2 x 13watt 6500k CFL's and I dose 1.3-1.4ml of excel and 0.17-0.2ml of comprehensive daily. The daily dosing of the comprehensive add's up to the recommended weekly dose. I believe that dosing daily is better.

I read up on dry ferts and do you guys think I need some? My tank has

Riccia
Monosolenium tenerum
Compact Hygro
Chain Sword
Apontogean
Salvinia
and more in a day or two.

If I do need dry ferts which should I get from the site below?
http://aquariumfertilizer.com/index....ditU=1&Regit=2
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Old 03-05-2013, 12:00 AM   #2
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I went from Flourish Comprehensive to dry fertz and there is no difference hands down. It's that much better IMO. If you do I would monitor parameters until you find that balance. Don't blindly follow a calculator and wonder why you have a tank full of hair algae lol. Really, try it. It's like the difference between a HD tv and the old picture tube style. I'll never watch a CRT again!
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I'm not really looking to replace my comprehensive, atleast not until I run out of it.

What I'm asking is if there is anything I should add to what I currently dose?
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Old 03-05-2013, 12:25 AM   #4
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I'm not really looking to replace my comprehensive, atleast not until I run out of it.

What I'm asking is if there is anything I should add to what I currently dose?
That would depend on what your water parameters are. Nitrate and phosphate in particular. Iron would be nice but accurate ones are expensive so most don't use them. I found a severe nitrogen deficiency as well as iron when I used it. Nitrates running 0?
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My nitrates are reading below 0.25ppm and I don't have a phosphate or Iron test kit. All I have now is the API Master Test Kit.
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My nitrates are reading below 0.25ppm and I don't have a phosphate or Iron test kit. All I have now is the API Master Test Kit.
I was pretty heavily planted so my nitrates were 0. I would shoot for up wards of 10ppm. I could never attain that with flourish. The premixed ferts are simply too dilute. You may be noticing yellowing, transparency or overall little growth in some plants. Does your Riccia grow well and look very Green? The compacta will grow in nearly everything. It flourished in my tank before dry fertz. Anyway, check out the water parameters for happy plants. Primarily nitrates and phosphate.
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No yellow/clear leaves at all, and yes, the ricca is doing great actually.
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Old 03-05-2013, 02:12 AM   #8
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flourish comprehensive isn't really that comprehensive TBH. It only contains a few trace nutrients...so you have to get the full line including flourish trace, phosphorus, nitrogen, and potassium or get dry nitrogen, potassium and phosphorus. IIRC correctly the dry ferts are: KNO3, and KH2PO4. K2SO4 you may get just in case you see potassium deficiency without it. iron chelate or flourish iron is also optional.

i don't know if we're allowed to post links to other forums, but this post:

http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/f...ing-guide.html

discusses EI fertilizing which will be preferable for you since your tank is small and it will be easy to do 50% water changes every week. if you are lazy like me or just can't do 50% water changes you can follow flourish's dosing guide:

http://www.seachem.com/support/PlantDoseChart.pdf

or PPS/PPS-Pro

https://sites.google.com/site/aquati...r/home/pps-pro

also, before trying any of this. just get some osmocote + root capsules from any of the members here that sell them.

keep dosing excel daily and don't ever put huge doses in like it says on the bottle. it is best for your plants to have consistent daily dosings.

sorry if this post makes no sense. i am not awake.
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I'm not looking to buy anymore liquid ferts.

I'm new to ferts and that sort of thing so could someone do me a HUGE favor and let me know what ferts I need? I would like to order them from this site (http://aquariumfertilizer.com/index....tion1=products) because I can get a discount.

Thanks!
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Potassium phosphate, potassium phosphate and a trace mix (such as Plantex CSM+B) are the bare requirements.

Some people will also want a GH booster (which is just a mixture of calcium, magnesium and potassium sulfates), depending on water chemistry.
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So http://aquariumfertilizer.com/index....ShowItemStart= and http://aquariumfertilizer.com/index....ShowItemStart= are the ones I should get?

Would I dose these with my excel and comprehensive or just forget about those?
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So http://aquariumfertilizer.com/index....ShowItemStart= and http://aquariumfertilizer.com/index....ShowItemStart= are the ones I should get?

Would I dose these with my excel and comprehensive or just forget about those?
You will also need potassium nitrate, as I previously mentioned.

You can leave out the Flourish Comprehensive.

The Flourish Excel serves as a carbon dioxide alternative (though not quite as good), so you will need to continue to add it (or switch to CO2).
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Would getting Macro Micro Nutrient Mix and Mono Potassium Phosphate give me everything I need?

Or is buying the
http://aquariumfertilizer.com/index....ShowItemStart=
http://aquariumfertilizer.com/index....ShowItemStart=
and http://aquariumfertilizer.com/index....ShowItemStart= better?
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I would recommend the latter, rather than the former. A pre-mix will not allow for full customization, which will allow for more control with dosing.

Also, as I previously mentioned, you may want to look into purchasing a GH booster, depending on your water chemistry. If you intend to use RO water, or if your tap water is particularly soft,y ou will want to remineralize it.
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Buy individual ferts. If you want, you can always mix up your own dosing solution later to make things easier.
It's so cheap and easy once you get going you won't mind at all.
With Excel, pick the EI dosing for your tank size and divide by 3. Dose that and monitor your growth and algae. Increase or decrease as needed.
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