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Old 03-03-2013, 05:22 PM   #16
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A decent camera has been on my shopping list for a long time.

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Thats a shorttailed ryu in front of the bigger moor.
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Old 03-03-2013, 05:56 PM   #18
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[QUOTE=Sharpchick;2710114] I've never tried vals because just about all the goldfish owners I've chatted with have said the fish mowed those down overnight.
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Any suggestion for what I might substitute for the vals? I want a solid background wall of tall dark grasslike plants which will work in low tech. I would use giant hair grass, but it requires medium to high light.
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I've never tried vals because just about all the goldfish owners I've chatted with have said the fish mowed those down overnight.
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Any suggestion for what I might substitute for the vals? I want a solid background wall of tall dark grasslike plants which will work in low tech. I would use giant hair grass, but it requires medium to high light.
If you aren't married to them having to be rooted plants, then Hygrophila corymbosa 'angustifolia' might work for you. It's a stem plant. You'd really be able to do rock work then, and plant the individual stems between them. Since it's a stem plant, it takes nutrition from the water column, so you don't need roots tabs for it. Under good conditions, it can get 10 to 12 inches high.

I think a wall or mass planting of it in a corner is a killer look in a tank. All the hygros grow very rapidly, and they are nitrate busters if you're having that problem.

I just ordered some for the rescaping I'm doing on my 29 high goldfish tank.

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It's not the look I want, but I will be building up the whole middle in a mound of rock and wood completely covered in plant mass. The wood is already in. I know bigger crypts would work but really want to use the Lucens if I can. They will be surrounded in rock at their bases. Do you think they will hold? Alterantely, do you know of anything that looks like Lucens but has a bigger root structure?
If you already doing that kind of building, so you're not gonna be out any more $$ on hardscape, I'd just go with the plant I wanted.
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I like that!

Are you trying to keep a strip of the sand bed in the foreground uncovered for feeding, etc? If not, I'd move the little plugs of what - DHG? - forward a bit.

In your final scape, how much of your footprint will be planted? I'm going for about 50% in mine - and that includes up, with the anubias on the driftwood. I think if I planted my tank intensively, I'd come home one day shortly thereafter and want to jump off the roof to see it all torn up...
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Hah! If my ryu destroys my scape I am sending him to you!

I saw your fish and what I think is some angustifolia in your album. I always assumed it was a root plant and am amazed to hear its a stem! I also think it's an ideal nitrate reducer but doesn't have the look I want for this idea. If you think the crypts I mentioned will stay put with some rock around them I will give them a try. As for the grassy plant I want in the back, do you know if golds eat C. Spiralis? If not, that should work.
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Yup, the "beach" (~20% of the footprint) is for feeding and also to contrast the foliage in the middle which will be ~ 80% of the footprint including some rock and wood sticking out.
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The little tuft of stuff you mentioned is micro sword and it is in there as a test to see if it can handle low light. They say it won't, but if it does I'll use more.
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Hah! If my ryu destroys my scape I am sending him to you!

I saw your fish and what I think is some angustifolia in your album. I always assumed it was a root plant and am amazed to hear its a stem! I also think it's an ideal nitrate reducer but doesn't have the look I want for this idea. If you think the crypts I mentioned will stay put with some rock around them I will give them a try. As for the grassy plant I want in the back, do you know if golds eat C. Spiralis? If not, that should work.
They haven't eaten my C. retrospiralis.

Yet.
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How long have you had the larger moor? That is a seriously beautiful fish.
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... I've never tried vals because just about all the goldfish owners I've chatted with have said the fish mowed those down overnight.

Love my fish, but hate seeing destruction of plants.
It can depend on the fish, but I has grown val with my goldfish for years without problem. Goldfish will nip plants, but plant a lots, feed your fish well, and it may work out for you.

I sometimes wonder if the reason I don't have problems with my goldfish eating plants is my wife. She likes to feed the pigs, four times a day when they were small and still three times a day after 3 years. I would complain she was over feeding but she ignored me. Maybe because they were well fed they left the plants alone? All I know is my low tech setup has Amazon swords, vallisneria, hornwort, cabomba, java fern, and anubia growing while the goldfish population is quite heavy.
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It can depend on the fish, but I has grown val with my goldfish for years without problem. Goldfish will nip plants, but plant a lots, feed your fish well, and it may work out for you.

I sometimes wonder if the reason I don't have problems with my goldfish eating plants is my wife. She likes to feed the pigs, four times a day when they were small and still three times a day after 3 years. I would complain she was over feeding but she ignored me. Maybe because they were well fed they left the plants alone? All I know is my low tech setup has Amazon swords, vallisneria, hornwort, cabomba, java fern, and anubia growing while the goldfish population is quite heavy.
I would agree that frequent small feedings, as well as feeding them green stuff you DO want them to eat would probably go a long way toward reducing the destruction of plants.

My work schedule keeps me away from the house for about 10-12 hours a day, and here I am a one woman show, so I don't have the option of feeding more than 2 X per day.

I do give them floating pennywort, which they attack constantly, and I can replace from other tanks. I think it cuts down on the attacks on other plants, too.
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I keep jungle vals in my sand-bottomed goldfish tank. They're the best goldfish plant I've found because they grow in a mat the fish can't uproot. Apparently they don't taste good, either. It's not an especially well-groomed look though.
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