Aqua soil or shrimp stratum?
Planted Tank Forums
Your Tanks Image Hosting *Tank Tracker * Plant Profiles Fish Profiles Planted Tank Guide Photo Gallery Articles

Go Back   The Planted Tank Forum > Specific Aspects of a Planted Tank > Shrimp & Other Invertebrates


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-01-2013, 08:48 PM   #1
SupaTank
Algae Grower
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: California
Posts: 68
Default

Aqua soil or shrimp stratum?


I was gonna go with ada, but my local fish store just got some fluval shrimp stratum. I was wondering if anyone can shine some light on ada aqua soil vs fluval shrimp stratum; which is better for HQ shrimp (crs,oebt,etc..?)

Please be specific which ADA aqua soil you used(new amazonia, malaya, etc..)? What's beneficial/wrong with it or if you can do it again, would you go with something completely different. thks, this will help me save a few buck and narrow down my decision.
SupaTank is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 03-01-2013, 08:56 PM   #2
plamski
Wannabe Guru
 
plamski's Avatar
 
PTrader: (60/100%)
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Boca Raton,FL
Posts: 1,072
Default

For CRS ADA. Best quality in general. Hold PH longer.PH will be 5.5-6.2
For tigers I'll pick Azoo Plant Grower Bed Substrate It will keep PH in 6.5.looks very nice
They have black and brown. For blue tiger I'm using brown substrate. For Red and TT –black.
FSS is the last in my list. I'm sorry but they have to fix their quality control first.
plamski is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-01-2013, 09:00 PM   #3
Lexinverts
Maestro of Invertology
 
Lexinverts's Avatar
 
PTrader: (42/100%)
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Corvallis, OR
Posts: 616
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SupaTank View Post
I was gonna go with ada, but my local fish store just got some fluval shrimp stratum. I was wondering if anyone can shine some light on ada aqua soil vs fluval shrimp stratum; which is better for HQ shrimp (crs,oebt,etc..?)

Please be specific which ADA aqua soil you used(new amazonia, malaya, etc..)? What's beneficial/wrong with it or if you can do it again, would you go with something completely different. thks, this will help me save a few buck and narrow down my decision.
I prefer ADA New Amazonia. I tried Fluval Shrimp Stratum in a tank right next to an Amazonia tank with similar water parameters, and I had poor survival of babies in the FSS tank relative to the Amazonia tank. I have stuck with Amazonia since them. I know some people have had success with FSS, but that was not my experience. I can say that all of the breeders I know with high grade CRS or Taiwan Bees use Amazonia.
__________________
"Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. Well I say that there are some things we don't want to know. Important things!" Ned Flanders

http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=338362
Lexinverts is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-01-2013, 09:03 PM   #4
Lexinverts
Maestro of Invertology
 
Lexinverts's Avatar
 
PTrader: (42/100%)
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Corvallis, OR
Posts: 616
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by plamski View Post
For CRS ADA. Best quality in general. Hold PH longer.PH will be 5.5-6.2
For tigers I'll pick Azoo Plant Grower Bed Substrate It will keep PH in 6.5.looks very nice
They have black and brown. For blue tiger I'm using brown substrate. For Red and TT –black.
FSS is the last in my list. I'm sorry but they have to fix their quality control first.
Does the Azoo soil leach any Ammonia?
__________________
"Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. Well I say that there are some things we don't want to know. Important things!" Ned Flanders

http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=338362
Lexinverts is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-01-2013, 09:08 PM   #5
acitydweller
ओं मणिपद्मे हूं
 
acitydweller's Avatar
 
PTrader: (174/100%)
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: New York
Posts: 7,686
Default

You know that baby survival as more to do with supplementing the tank with enzymes, bacteria, aeration and not solely reliant on the substrate alone... Aquasoil has one up over FSS for shrimp in that its full of nutrients whereas FSS is just an medium grade cec equivalent substrate devout of anything beneficial for plants or shrimp. One of the good things about FSS is that you can use it almost immediately to setup a shrimp tank as it does not leech ammonia as As would. but that's about it...

for cost and sake of time, i would use FSS.

If i had time and cost were no object, i'd get AS and wait a full 8-10 weeks for a proper cycle after adding Penac P, Penac W, Clear water, Tourmaline BC, and bacter 100...

that's likely $30 bucks versus $250
__________________
"I am Groot", the faithful protector
acitydweller is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-01-2013, 09:11 PM   #6
Lexinverts
Maestro of Invertology
 
Lexinverts's Avatar
 
PTrader: (42/100%)
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Corvallis, OR
Posts: 616
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by acitydweller View Post
You know that baby survival as more to do with supplementing the tank with enzymes, and not solely reliant on the substrate alone...
You mean supplementing with micro-organism powder food, like Ebibacter?

Sure, but, as I said in the above post, I treated each tank the same. I had higher survival in the Amazonia tank, and the only difference in the treatment was the substrate.
__________________
"Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. Well I say that there are some things we don't want to know. Important things!" Ned Flanders

http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=338362
Lexinverts is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-01-2013, 09:16 PM   #7
acitydweller
ओं मणिपद्मे हूं
 
acitydweller's Avatar
 
PTrader: (174/100%)
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: New York
Posts: 7,686
Default

um there's a whole lot more to increasing baby survival rate than simply dashing ebi bacter in a tank...

If it were that straight forward, it would be raining CRS' and they would be worth $1 each these days...
__________________
"I am Groot", the faithful protector
acitydweller is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-01-2013, 09:26 PM   #8
Lexinverts
Maestro of Invertology
 
Lexinverts's Avatar
 
PTrader: (42/100%)
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Corvallis, OR
Posts: 616
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by acitydweller View Post
um there's a whole lot more to increasing baby survival rate than simply dashing ebi bacter in a tank...

If it were that straight forward, it would be raining CRS' and they would be worth $1 each these days...
Really? Umm.....

It's funny then that I have 100s, and 100s, of CRS, CBS, and Taiwan babies and adults, and all I do is feed a balanced diet, including pollem foods with various microrganism powders. EBI, Shirakuri, Borneo Wild, etc...

Unless those aforementioned powder foods contain enzymes, I haven't added any enzyme supplements to any of my tanks, and I have fantastic survival rates.

Again, what I said in my first post is that I treated two tanks the same, and the only difference was the type of substrate I used.

By the way, if everyone used enzyme supplements in their shrimp-keeping, it would not be "raining CRS."
__________________
"Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. Well I say that there are some things we don't want to know. Important things!" Ned Flanders

http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=338362
Lexinverts is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-01-2013, 09:33 PM   #9
acitydweller
ओं मणिपद्मे हूं
 
acitydweller's Avatar
 
PTrader: (174/100%)
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: New York
Posts: 7,686
Default

Bear in mind, this thread is more for the OP and less about our own personal successes...
__________________
"I am Groot", the faithful protector
acitydweller is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-01-2013, 09:36 PM   #10
ThatGuyWithTheFish
perugiae
 
ThatGuyWithTheFish's Avatar
 
PTrader: (23/100%)
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Boston
Posts: 2,350
Default

AS for crystals and FSS for tigers.
__________________

"Boulders-Upon-Meadow"


My Golden Rule of planted tanks: WWTAD-
"What would Takashi Amano do?"


RAOK Club #69
ThatGuyWithTheFish is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-01-2013, 09:45 PM   #11
Lexinverts
Maestro of Invertology
 
Lexinverts's Avatar
 
PTrader: (42/100%)
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Corvallis, OR
Posts: 616
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by acitydweller View Post
Bear in mind, this thread is more for the OP and less about our own personal successes...
Of course. Let's get back to what you posted.

Quote:
Originally Posted by acitydweller View Post
You know that baby survival as more to do with supplementing the tank with enzymes, and not solely reliant on the substrate alone...
You are suggesting here that dosing enzymes is more important than the choice of substrate.

Now, I can tell you from my (successful) experience that this claim is far-fetched, to say the least.
__________________
"Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. Well I say that there are some things we don't want to know. Important things!" Ned Flanders

http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=338362
Lexinverts is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-01-2013, 09:56 PM   #12
Puddles
Suspended
 
PTrader: (26/100%)
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: USA
Posts: 732
Default Aqua soil or shrimp stratum?

Acitydweller have you used fss with Crs or tbs successfully?
Puddles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-01-2013, 10:05 PM   #13
peter_l
Algae Grower
 
PTrader: (1/100%)
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Maynard, MA
Posts: 100
Default

FWIW, I am using Fluval Shrimp Stratum in my 3 gal. cherry shrimp tank. That tank is producing at least 500 shrimp every 3 or 4 months.

I used to keep cherries and tigers in a larger tank with EcoComplete. That tank was producing at least a thousand of each over the course of a year.

As far as food goes, they are fed a mix of flake, pellet, and fresh (peas, zucchini, cuke, lettuce...)

Hope that helps.

peter
peter_l is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-01-2013, 10:38 PM   #14
AquaPipes
Planted Member
 
PTrader: (6/100%)
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: California
Posts: 215
Default

Fluval Shrimp Startum is all over the board when it comes to buffering capability. The stuff I purchased buffered to 7.2~7.4ph. Too high for CRS, but fine for cherries. I've seen others report buffering to 6.5 with it. Just depends on the batch you get I guess.

For CRS and Taiwan Bee's, use AquaSoil. It buffers a long time, and is consistent. But if cherry shrimp, Fluval is fine.
AquaPipes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-02-2013, 12:29 AM   #15
Bananariot
Planted Tank Guru
 
Bananariot's Avatar
 
PTrader: (26/100%)
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Biddeford, Maine
Posts: 2,635
Default

FSS is inconsistent with buffering capacity and lifespan.
ADA Amazonia, you know what you are getting, buffering consistency and a longer lifespan.
Bananariot is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
ada vs shrimp stratum, best crs shrimp substrate

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 11:47 AM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright Planted Tank LLC 2012