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Old 02-24-2013, 03:04 PM   #1
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Have I overdone it? 120p hardscape advice


I'm not going for Iwagumi specifically, or any particular style, but I pulled some of the guidelines from Iwagumi. Center stone, odd number of stones, initial focal point that draws your eye across the tank.

Tried a few configurations and this is what I ended up with. What do you guys think?

Are the stones too large?

Does the wood work? (The wood is indirectly from Tom Barr, gorgeous piece) The wood sort of becomes the initial focal point instead of the stone which I'm okay with.

Stones: After the initial investment of the tank/equipment I couldn't bring myself to drop the money on the ADA stones so I went to a local contractor supply shop and picked up ~120LB of basalt boulders for $22.

Flora: Still uncertain but there will be carpet.

Thanks!
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Old 02-24-2013, 03:15 PM   #2
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Looks good to me. I don't think it's too much.
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Old 02-24-2013, 03:31 PM   #3
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Maybe too symmetrical. Either take out the tree or a rock from the left
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Old 02-24-2013, 04:06 PM   #4
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I think it looks good.
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Old 02-24-2013, 04:27 PM   #5
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I think I would probably try to move the center rock behind the two on the left and angle it up to give some depth opposite the "tree". If you move the left two stones toward the front to accommodate, you'll end up with three layers of depth, also: near (front L), mid (wood / stones)' and far (back left).

Then again, it might look like kaka when this is actually tried

Good luck!
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Old 02-24-2013, 04:58 PM   #6
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It actually looks like you could try a mountain scape with tree as in #89 and 156 here.
http://en.iaplc.com/results12/top200vote/ Place the largest rock where it belongs and the secondary stone then place the tree. The other stones will support the three main elements and might need to be partly buried to reduce bulk or consider breaking one up so you have more variety.
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Old 02-24-2013, 05:47 PM   #7
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Thanks for the feedback everyone!

I played around with the 2 stones on the left a bit, pic attached.

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Maybe too symmetrical. Either take out the tree or a rock from the left
I'm thinking the tree might need to go.. it creates two focal points at equal distances from the center like you said. It also throws the proportions all off unless I were to try the "mountainscape" look like Kathyy suggested.


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I think I would probably try to move the center rock behind the two on the left and angle it up to give some depth opposite the "tree". If you move the left two stones toward the front to accommodate, you'll end up with three layers of depth, also: near (front L), mid (wood / stones)' and far (back left).

Then again, it might look like kaka when this is actually tried

Good luck!
The center rock is as far back as it will go unfortunately. The 2nd from the left, the massive one, I may be able to bring that forward however.


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It actually looks like you could try a mountain scape with tree as in #89 and 156 here.
http://en.iaplc.com/results12/top200vote/ Place the largest rock where it belongs and the secondary stone then place the tree. The other stones will support the three main elements and might need to be partly buried to reduce bulk or consider breaking one up so you have more variety.
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Hmmm yeah, burying the rocks deeper would make it more natural, good thinking. I'm in a condo so breaking one up is going to be tough.. unless I drop it off the balcony.

Going to try a few more changes. Thanks everyone for the feedback!
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Old 02-24-2013, 06:09 PM   #8
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Tried moving the 2 stones on the left forward, rotating #1 back to how it was earlier. There are huge shadows in the forward position as the stone is so big. Also, dug the stones on the right in a bit more.
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Old 02-24-2013, 06:11 PM   #9
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Here I've removed the wood and moved the lighting forward ~75% towards the front.

Hmmm... I think I might take it all apart and try moving the large stone (#2) a few inches to the right.. Right now it's at 1/4 the tank and I'm thinking it should really be at the 1/3rd mark. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_thirds) That will bring the focal point inwards.
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Old 02-24-2013, 06:16 PM   #10
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I don't like how that middle stone is sitting, try to bury that one deep in the substrate.

Also, try to position the right stones so that they are more of a composition. Right now they look like they are free floating stones.
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Tore it down, removed ~4 bags of soil and started fresh. I have ~2 bags of soil yet to pour in
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Definitely better, try moving the two leftmost stones all the way into the left corner? Unless you're set on having one mass.
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Definitely better, try moving the two leftmost stones all the way into the left corner? Unless you're set on having one mass.
I just took it down again but I'll keep that in mind. I'm not set on one mass, but I'm finding that my "center stone" is a bit narrow so I've been trying to "prop" it up a bit with other stones.

Just tried a few 3 stone configurations.. Not really liking it.. that damn center stone is just too awkward.

I think I'll give it a rest for now and then go back to 5 stones, 2 + 3 like you suggested. Thx!
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Old 02-24-2013, 11:57 PM   #14
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Personally I love that tree. I keep getting a picture in my mind of one of those twisted and windswept scrub pines clinging somehow to a craggy hillside.
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Old 02-25-2013, 12:07 AM   #15
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The first rock grouping looked promising, but the tree moved the focus away from that main rock with the deep crevice.

I don't think you can have the wood on the right and then the most prominent rock on the left that just doesn't work. From the first setup if you just remove the wood I think you can have a nice layout. If you want to keep the tree than you need to incorporate the tree in and around the dominant rock grouping and then have other rocks support that, but not compete with the main focal area. That's pretty much what's going on in the pics you attached. The main grouping with the trees are slightly off-center and inside the main focal area.
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