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Old 02-14-2013, 05:35 AM   #1
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I am setting up a 125 with a sump and wanted to get some idea of what brand if equipment I should be trying to track down. The 125 is not drilled so I will need an overflow box, but man some of them are pricey. I am going to put my own sump together out of a 30 long or 40 breeder and am it looks like the mag 1800 is probably the way to go. Any direction would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 02-14-2013, 07:42 AM   #2
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Take a look at some of the DIY PVC overflow designs - a lot incorporate a siphon and an overflow into one unit. takes a bit of sawing at PVC pipe, and gluing it together, but PVC is pretty cheap, especially considering a lot of the pre-fab stuff.

heres one I ran across that seemed pretty compact and contained:
http://dramaticaquascapes.com/PVC_Overflow_11.html
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Old 02-14-2013, 11:44 AM   #3
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one thing i'll mention is DRAIN SIZE.
i just went through this on my second tank setup.
go oversized frm the industry standard, a gravity siphon with an air mix needs to have lots of room to vent air pressure or it will make tons of noise

http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/sh...6&postcount=63
read that it goes a little in depth on it
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This is one of the better articles I've seen for constructing your own PVC overflow.http://www.aquariumlife.net/projects...erflow/120.asp

Other than that, most people seem to love the CPR and LifeReef overflows. I have a CPR and it's been reliable so far.
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This is one of the better articles I've seen for constructing your own PVC overflow.http://www.aquariumlife.net/projects...erflow/120.asp

Other than that, most people seem to love the CPR and LifeReef overflows. I have a CPR and it's been reliable so far.
great writeup

just make the pvc lines bigger
especially for the size tank being used.

www.wetwebmedia.com/SystemPIX/.../Oneinchart.htm
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I might want to build my own overflow, but I probably will end buying a prefab one. I guess I have more questions about the actual sump design. The DIY overflows look simple enough, just want to make sure I have as little in the tank as possible and looks like the PVC overflows are pretty bulky...
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I have Lifereef... It works great so far. Once it is primed you won't have to reprime it again. Just remember, if you're diy skill is not that great... I wouldn't do a diy overflow for a sump. Usually flood occurred on sump setup when your overflow box failed. Spent the extra $$$ for a piece of mind and flood clean up!
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I might want to build my own overflow, but I probably will end buying a prefab one. I guess I have more questions about the actual sump design. The DIY overflows look simple enough, just want to make sure I have as little in the tank as possible and looks like the PVC overflows are pretty bulky...
I built a DIY sump out of a 40 breeder a while back when I was gonna dabble in SW, and it was rather easy and IMO the way to go. Don't spend the ridiculous amount they want for Acrylic. For my new tank I am going to use the same 40B, but I' will be making some changes to the baffles shown to reduce turbulence to try and reduce Co2 out-gassing.

The hardest thing was finding a glass shop. Ensure your measurements are correct as well.



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IS THAT a 10 gallon tank on the right side of the last picture? drilled with a bulkhead??

how on earth did you manage drilling that thin little piece of glass!!!! I NEED TO KNOW!
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Pretty much used the tape method along with new diamond tipped hole saw.

http://www.turnstylevogue.com/2012/0...oles-in-glass/
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What is the best approach for the baffles to prevent out gassing?
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I have seen simple sumps for planted tanks where the 'baffling' was pieces of Poret foam - meaning, the only thing in the sump separating chambers were pieces of foam that went the width of the tank - resulting in minimal splashing. The foam provides mechanical filtration and lots of surface area for bacteria to grow. Easily removed to clean as well. I don't have a sump, but for a planted tank, I don't really see a need for a complicated one. The entire system (display and sump) acts as a biological filter anyway.

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What is the best approach for the baffles to prevent out gassing?
don't use any

personally i find no use, BUT i did by a commercial setup and im a zombie slave to how simple it is to seal for co2

THE MOST co2 waste ACTUALLY comes from the drain pulling in fresh air, cut that down and you'll be in muc better shape
please excuse the picture and mess, this was during setup

but i have one baffle, and 2 media areas.. very simple. sealing for co2 loss is also easy,, takes me 30 seconds
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What is the best approach for the baffles to prevent out gassing?
Can't really prevent it, but the more turbulence or overflow you reduce the better. Entering water will no longer go over a baffle, but instead go through slots which will below the water line. Not sure if it's even gonna make a difference, it will be better than the water going over.


I can tell you though that when I had my previous sump I had no problems maintaining Co2, it just took a lot more of it. So don't be discouraged, if you can't make something fancy a regular plain ole sump design can work.
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I am just planning on using a used 29 or 40 breeder if I can find one. Is the best way to reduce splashing and noise just attributed to well placed and adjusted ball valve? Everything about using a sump seems very appealing to me, but I will not enjoy it if the tank is noisy...
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