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Old 02-08-2013, 01:05 PM   #16
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well you have the moss in a container shielded away from your co2 being dosed :P


i would just drop the moss in the tank.
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You sound a bit down with this at the moment. Consider qualifying the advice feom people. Petco is not well known for keeping the best quairy plamts not livestock. Their job is to sell for profit and not foster the hobby.

You are merely keeping moss barely alive by putting them in a container filled with water. Moss, like all living things need several sources of nutrients. Consider going to home depot or walmart and picking up some liquid fertilizer from the garden section. That should have enough npk to boost some new green growth in that container. This advice comes from my own experience rebailitating some unwanted brown moss. The results were amazing. Try it and you will see. If u want a photo of the one i use, i can take a pic later
They may not be the smartest but corys and tetras do come from amazon where water is 80+ unless its raining. Amano has wild altums in his tank and Im sure his water isn't 72 and he has moss everywheres thats very healthy

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You sound a bit down with this at the moment. Consider qualifying the advice feom people. Petco is not well known for keeping the best quairy plamts not livestock. Their job is to sell for profit and not foster the hobby.

You are merely keeping moss barely alive by putting them in a container filled with water. Moss, like all living things need several sources of nutrients. Consider going to home depot or walmart and picking up some liquid fertilizer from the garden section. That should have enough npk to boost some new green growth in that container. This advice comes from my own experience rebailitating some unwanted brown moss. The results were amazing. Try it and you will see. If u want a photo of the one i use, i can take a pic later
Hi, you said, "Consider going to home depot or walmart and picking up some liquid fertilizer from the garden section. That should have enough npk to boost some new green growth in that container." I would like to know myself the name of something (dry fert preferably) that I can purchase at these stores to fert my plants...thanks in advance.
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It's just I can never get a straight answer here, the moss in my tank get DIY CO2 mix, it also gets CO2 boost from ADI, and also plant grow, and another product from ADI that goes with the CO2 boost I wanna say its lush leaves or something like that can't think of the name right now an I'm out of the house but all those products are dosed the way according to directions on the bottles the only one I don't have an exact beat on is the CO2 mix but I'm gonna get a drop checker and better yet a real CO2 system. Thanks for the support yea that would be good if u can post or send the pic?
Over the years, i've become better at asking pointed questions rather than just posing a problem as this seems to get to the heart of the answer one seeks. One of the challenges of DYI CO2 is instability. Its a fantastic gateway drug into a high tech setup so you will see some benefits in it (along with the shortcomings).

I do not have experience with any of these ADI products and cant comment though you must understand if moss can grow a dark green for someone like me off a windowsill in my office with no filtration, all the co2 and other stuff is likely overkill and notably not bringing the benefits they market. Try to keep things simple as adjustments and tuning are much easier.

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They may not be the smartest but corys and tetras do come from amazon where water is 80+ unless its raining. Amano has wild altums in his tank and Im sure his water isn't 72 and he has moss everywheres thats very healthy
Amano obviously knows what he is doing Take into account that the tanks which house altums are fairly and he does strive to create a balanced ecosystem in his tanks. You will never catch him dead using DYI co2... just saying Take into account that there's a balance of all things (bacteria, slow/medium/fast plants, various materials in the substrate, varying factors in both intensity of light and potency of co2 that all goes into his creations) Just seeing the beauty of his work is just scratching the surface.

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Hi, you said, "Consider going to home depot or walmart and picking up some liquid fertilizer from the garden section. That should have enough npk to boost some new green growth in that container." I would like to know myself the name of something (dry fert preferably) that I can purchase at these stores to fert my plants...thanks in advance.
Back to what i was saying about keeping things simple. I went to home depot to pick this up:
This has a measure of 8-7-6 for NPK and i first used it in a random quart container and some java moss that seemed to be brown and dying. Before using fertilizers, the moss sort of just stayed the same not getting better but not getting worse for about 3 weeks by the window. 3 pond snails were added and fed once a week but still to no benefit. I think i paid $4-5 for this bottle. The first signs of growth came within the first week with new strands of moss emerging from the old growth. After 3 weeks, the green growth seemed to take over about 50% of what seemed to be the old brown moss. As of two weeks ago. i gave the moss away in my RAOK which would have appeared to be crisp, lush and new as if it came out of my own shrimp tank.

I hope you can experience the happiness i had with this little experiment with ferts. it simply works and im sure anyone here can spare a small plastic container, some java moss and a window sill with about 4-5 hours of sun to test this out.
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Old 02-08-2013, 02:52 PM   #20
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Wow, thanks for this acitydweller, I've wondered about some of the ferts available at the home improvement stores... I may give this a shot. I already have a small plastic container with a bit of Java moss and a couple of snails in it, but no ferts at this time. It doesn't seem to be growing much right now. Now, I really want to go to Home Depot and see if I can find that Miracle Gro

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Over the years, i've become better at asking pointed questions rather than just posing a problem as this seems to get to the heart of the answer one seeks. One of the challenges of DYI CO2 is instability. Its a fantastic gateway drug into a high tech setup so you will see some benefits in it (along with the shortcomings).

I do not have experience with any of these ADI products and cant comment though you must understand if moss can grow a dark green for someone like me off a windowsill in my office with no filtration, all the co2 and other stuff is likely overkill and notably not bringing the benefits they market. Try to keep things simple as adjustments and tuning are much easier.



Amano obviously knows what he is doing Take into account that the tanks which house altums are fairly and he does strive to create a balanced ecosystem in his tanks. You will never catch him dead using DYI co2... just saying Take into account that there's a balance of all things (bacteria, slow/medium/fast plants, various materials in the substrate, varying factors in both intensity of light and potency of co2 that all goes into his creations) Just seeing the beauty of his work is just scratching the surface.



Back to what i was saying about keeping things simple. I went to home depot to pick this up:
This has a measure of 8-7-6 for NPK and i first used it in a random quart container and some java moss that seemed to be brown and dying. Before using fertilizers, the moss sort of just stayed the same not getting better but not getting worse for about 3 weeks by the window. 3 pond snails were added and fed once a week but still to no benefit. I think i paid $4-5 for this bottle. The first signs of growth came within the first week with new strands of moss emerging from the old growth. After 3 weeks, the green growth seemed to take over about 50% of what seemed to be the old brown moss. As of two weeks ago. i gave the moss away in my RAOK which would have appeared to be crisp, lush and new as if it came out of my own shrimp tank.

I hope you can experience the happiness i had with this little experiment with ferts. it simply works and im sure anyone here can spare a small plastic container, some java moss and a window sill with about 4-5 hours of sun to test this out.
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:40 PM   #21
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well you have the moss in a container shielded away from your co2 being dosed :P


i would just drop the moss in the tank.
There's holes in the bottom right over the CO2 bubbles and they catch them as they rise to top of tank also there's no top on it so the moss is in the tankwater with co2 I'm gonna see if I can do a water change and group my plants together not to close tho.
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:49 PM   #22
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Over the years, i've become better at asking pointed questions rather than just posing a problem as this seems to get to the heart of the answer one seeks. One of the challenges of DYI CO2 is instability. Its a fantastic gateway drug into a high tech setup so you will see some benefits in it (along with the shortcomings).

I do not have experience with any of these ADI products and cant comment though you must understand if moss can grow a dark green for someone like me off a windowsill in my office with no filtration, all the co2 and other stuff is likely overkill and notably not bringing the benefits they market. Try to keep things simple as adjustments and tuning are much easier.



Amano obviously knows what he is doing Take into account that the tanks which house altums are fairly and he does strive to create a balanced ecosystem in his tanks. You will never catch him dead using DYI co2... just saying Take into account that there's a balance of all things (bacteria, slow/medium/fast plants, various materials in the substrate, varying factors in both intensity of light and potency of co2 that all goes into his creations) Just seeing the beauty of his work is just scratching the surface.



Back to what i was saying about keeping things simple. I went to home depot to pick this up:
This has a measure of 8-7-6 for NPK and i first used it in a random quart container and some java moss that seemed to be brown and dying. Before using fertilizers, the moss sort of just stayed the same not getting better but not getting worse for about 3 weeks by the window. 3 pond snails were added and fed once a week but still to no benefit. I think i paid $4-5 for this bottle. The first signs of growth came within the first week with new strands of moss emerging from the old growth. After 3 weeks, the green growth seemed to take over about 50% of what seemed to be the old brown moss. As of two weeks ago. i gave the moss away in my RAOK which would have appeared to be crisp, lush and new as if it came out of my own shrimp tank.

I hope you can experience the happiness i had with this little experiment with ferts. it simply works and im sure anyone here can spare a small plastic container, some java moss and a window sill with about 4-5 hours of sun to test this out.
Now where u work or had the moss obviously there was no drafts in the widow right so the water stayed at room temp?
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i was on the 20th floor overlooking times square. The window doesnt open and only gets about 1.5 - 2 hours of direct sunlight depending on the time of the year but the area itself is sort of cold due to the chill from the glass and also the air conditioning during the summer.

Point worth making, i only use a drop or two at a time each week. The container used was only a quart from a chinese take out so use this sparingly. You can likely use more in a larger container but start small and go from there. I never changed the water and only topped up. I think i may have done a 100% water change when i had taken a few days off and decided to restart the container with fresh water and a drop of the fertilizer. i use the same fertlizer on all my other desk plants so i know this stuff works. It has completely restored my porthos which were otherwise yellowing and going bald. new leaves are huge and deeply green.

to answer your question. i suppose room temp. nothing too hot or cold.
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Are there any moss for warm water like 78-80?
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not that i am aware of. most, if not all prefer cooler temps. Other plants that live in discus tanks like anubias may do well in those temps.
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Over the years, i've become better at asking pointed questions rather than just posing a problem as this seems to get to the heart of the answer one seeks. One of the challenges of DYI CO2 is instability. Its a fantastic gateway drug into a high tech setup so you will see some benefits in it (along with the shortcomings).

I do not have experience with any of these ADI products and cant comment though you must understand if moss can grow a dark green for someone like me off a windowsill in my office with no filtration, all the co2 and other stuff is likely overkill and notably not bringing the benefits they market. Try to keep things simple as adjustments and tuning are much easier.



Amano obviously knows what he is doing Take into account that the tanks which house altums are fairly and he does strive to create a balanced ecosystem in his tanks. You will never catch him dead using DYI co2... just saying Take into account that there's a balance of all things (bacteria, slow/medium/fast plants, various materials in the substrate, varying factors in both intensity of light and potency of co2 that all goes into his creations) Just seeing the beauty of his work is just scratching the surface.



Back to what i was saying about keeping things simple. I went to home depot to pick this up:
This has a measure of 8-7-6 for NPK and i first used it in a random quart container and some java moss that seemed to be brown and dying. Before using fertilizers, the moss sort of just stayed the same not getting better but not getting worse for about 3 weeks by the window. 3 pond snails were added and fed once a week but still to no benefit. I think i paid $4-5 for this bottle. The first signs of growth came within the first week with new strands of moss emerging from the old growth. After 3 weeks, the green growth seemed to take over about 50% of what seemed to be the old brown moss. As of two weeks ago. i gave the moss away in my RAOK which would have appeared to be crisp, lush and new as if it came out of my own shrimp tank.

I hope you can experience the happiness i had with this little experiment with ferts. it simply works and im sure anyone here can spare a small plastic container, some java moss and a window sill with about 4-5 hours of sun to test this out.
They don't have it that bottle of miricle grow fert, I'm here at the one in Somerville now
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Back to what i was saying about keeping things simple. I went to home depot to pick this up:
This has a measure of 8-7-6 for NPK and i first used it in a random quart container and some java moss that seemed to be brown and dying. Before using fertilizers, the moss sort of just stayed the same not getting better but not getting worse for about 3 weeks by the window. 3 pond snails were added and fed once a week but still to no benefit. I think i paid $4-5 for this bottle. The first signs of growth came within the first week with new strands of moss emerging from the old growth. After 3 weeks, the green growth seemed to take over about 50% of what seemed to be the old brown moss. As of two weeks ago. i gave the moss away in my RAOK which would have appeared to be crisp, lush and new as if it came out of my own shrimp tank.

I hope you can experience the happiness i had with this little experiment with ferts. it simply works and im sure anyone here can spare a small plastic container, some java moss and a window sill with about 4-5 hours of sun to test this out.
Should we be worried about the toxicity of heavy metals in this product?

I bought this same fert last week and put a little in a tank that I was transitioning out of a dry start. Afterwards, I did some research on here and found a link to this website that lists the metal content:http://agr.wa.gov/PestFert/Fertilize...spx?pname=2065.

Does anyone know how these levels compare to those found in products intended for aquarium use and considered shrimp/fish safe? After fertilizing for a while with this product, would the moss be safe to put into a shrimp tank?
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