Tonina basics?
Planted Tank Forums
Your Tanks Image Hosting *Tank Tracker * Plant Profiles Fish Profiles Planted Tank Guide Photo Gallery Articles

Go Back   The Planted Tank Forum > Specific Aspects of a Planted Tank > Plants


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-07-2005, 11:24 PM   #1
66 north
Algae Grower
 
66 north's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: milton ontario
Posts: 107
Default

Tonina basics?


I bought some Tonina sp. belem last week and it seems to be settling in okay but I'm just wondering from those who grow it what basic things you provide. I have it in a 90 gallon with flourite/eco-complete mix, 220 watts cf lighting, and pressurized co2. Kh is 4, gH is 8, temperature is 80-82 F, and I put a small bag of peat pellets in the substrate around the stems. What should I be targeting for nitrates? Any other tips?
66 north is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 11-07-2005, 11:55 PM   #2
Marc
Wannabe Guru
 
Marc's Avatar
 
PTrader: (32/100%)
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Pacifica, CA
Posts: 1,185
Default

Ive only seen the plant do well in soft water with acidic substrate, like ADA soild and florabase substrate.
__________________
Marc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2005, 12:02 AM   #3
trckrunrmike
Planted Tank Obsessed
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Silicon Valley
Posts: 408
Default

I'm sorry to say but the tonina wont last long. I thought the same thing, hey maybe it doesn't need soft water and ada substrate...2 weeks later DAMNIT. Don't even bother with florabase use ADA.
trckrunrmike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2005, 12:31 AM   #4
66 north
Algae Grower
 
66 north's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: milton ontario
Posts: 107
Default

I was hoping the hardness wasn't so important, too bad. Oh well it was only a $3 investment.
66 north is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2005, 03:26 AM   #5
WfxXx
Planted Tank Guru
 
WfxXx's Avatar
 
PTrader: (125/100%)
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: USA
Posts: 3,037
Send a message via ICQ to WfxXx
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by trckrunrmike
Don't even bother with florabase use ADA.
That is not totally accurate information, mostly stem's from frustration.

I have grown it in Flourite with kH4 gH8, it did not thrive, but it grew, it like's ton's of C02, prefer's soft water, Flora Base is rather fine substrate for growing it also, along with ADA.

Mostly it take's patience, it is a "slower" grower, and it takes a love for growing plants that are a little more difficult..
__________________
Craig
WfxXx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2005, 05:12 AM   #6
AaronT
Collectoritis Patient
 
AaronT's Avatar
 
PTrader: (202/100%)
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: MD, USA
Posts: 2,302
Default

I'm of the opinion that it's the acidity of the water that Toninas prefer rather than hardness. My water is 2-3 KH and 12 GH and they grow fine with the CO2 cranked to a pH of 6.4-6.5. I would not try growing them in anything more alkaline than that though. If things get out of whack they don't do as well for me.
__________________
In the D.C., Maryland, or NOVA area? Come check out The Greater Washington Aquatic Plants Association! www.gwapa.org
AaronT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2005, 08:10 AM   #7
Marc
Wannabe Guru
 
Marc's Avatar
 
PTrader: (32/100%)
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Pacifica, CA
Posts: 1,185
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AaronT
I'm of the opinion that it's the acidity of the water that Toninas prefer rather than hardness. My water is 2-3 KH and 12 GH and they grow fine with the CO2 cranked to a pH of 6.4-6.5. I would not try growing them in anything more alkaline than that though. If things get out of whack they don't do as well for me.
AarontT what substrate are you growing them in?
__________________
Marc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2005, 03:10 PM   #8
AaronT
Collectoritis Patient
 
AaronT's Avatar
 
PTrader: (202/100%)
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: MD, USA
Posts: 2,302
Default

I did have them in ADA, but now they are in Florabase. It helps lower my borderline KH to a better range. I did grow Tonina fluviatilis in the above mentioned conditions using Flourite/Shulltz mix just fine.
__________________
In the D.C., Maryland, or NOVA area? Come check out The Greater Washington Aquatic Plants Association! www.gwapa.org
AaronT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2005, 03:50 PM   #9
66 north
Algae Grower
 
66 north's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: milton ontario
Posts: 107
Default

Did you guys grow it under a normal fertilization routine like EI, or did you find it needed specific levels. I keep my ph at 6.6-6.7 with a controller which is about 30ppm of Co2.
66 north is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2005, 04:14 PM   #10
AaronT
Collectoritis Patient
 
AaronT's Avatar
 
PTrader: (202/100%)
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: MD, USA
Posts: 2,302
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 66 north
Did you guys grow it under a normal fertilization routine like EI, or did you find it needed specific levels. I keep my ph at 6.6-6.7 with a controller which is about 30ppm of Co2.
I would venture to say that your pH was not low enough for the Tonina's liking even with proper CO2 levels and EI fertilization. I don't use EI per say, but it is similar to how I dose.

What substrate are you using? The advantages of Florabase, ADA, and other peat based substrates is that they themselves are acidic and the Toninas seem to love that even if the water is on the harder side. I'm of the opinion that plants do not have roots just as anchors.
__________________
In the D.C., Maryland, or NOVA area? Come check out The Greater Washington Aquatic Plants Association! www.gwapa.org
AaronT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2005, 09:12 PM   #11
Marc
Wannabe Guru
 
Marc's Avatar
 
PTrader: (32/100%)
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Pacifica, CA
Posts: 1,185
Default

Buddy of mine had some in fluorite and the stems in the gravel just rotted away. He floated it for a few weeks and it grew very quickly.
__________________
Marc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2005, 06:27 PM   #12
vinnymac
Planted Tank Enthusiast
 
PTrader: (53/100%)
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Saint Louis, MO
Posts: 518
Default

I didn't have any luck with some I just bought last week. It died in a matter of days...which I attribute to my 7.3PH and moderately hard water.

My other plants do great.
vinnymac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2005, 08:14 PM   #13
66 north
Algae Grower
 
66 north's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: milton ontario
Posts: 107
Default

Mine has finally melted away, the macandra I bought at the same time is now taking off. In fact all the other "wimpy" plants I have are doing fine. I did what I could, peat pellets in the substrate around the tonina weren't good enough I guess. Although since this I know of someone growing Tonina fluviatilis locally, maybe it's a bit more tolerant.
66 north is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2005, 10:46 PM   #14
Jerm
Planted Member
 
Jerm's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Rouses Point, NY
Posts: 295
Default

Hehe, acidic water? I have about a 6 out of the tap. Poor fish, it must burn. Plants love it though.
__________________
JΞЯМ

Peter- Moveable printed type! We must keep this from the serfs less they gain literacy and threaten the landed gentry.

Serf- Whatcha got there ma' lord?

Peter- Nothing! Back to your turnips!
Jerm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-13-2005, 05:22 AM   #15
plantbrain
Planted Tank Guru
 
plantbrain's Avatar
 
PTrader: (255/100%)
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: The swamp
Posts: 13,247
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by trckrunrmike
I'm sorry to say but the tonina wont last long. I thought the same thing, hey maybe it doesn't need soft water and ada substrate...2 weeks later DAMNIT. Don't even bother with florabase use ADA.
You have not seem my tanks, I get 2-3" a week and I use plain old flourite.
Water is soft, but the EI dosing and Flourite consistently grow the googies out of it, actually all the species/varieties.

ADA may help some folks, I have some tanks with that as well, but it is NOT a requirement.

It's a nice plant and all, but I find little special about it, other than other folk's problems and challenges growing it
That seems to be the main reason.


Regards,
Tom Barr
plantbrain is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 05:38 AM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright Planted Tank LLC 2012