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Old 01-26-2013, 05:39 PM   #1
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Cherry Red Shrimp


So the other day I purchased 10 Cherry Red shrimp. I purchased 10 in total (5 to go into my 1 gallon bowl and 5 others to go into my 10 gallon tank).

Both the bowl and the tank are cycled and have 0 ammonia and 0 nitrates.

Since I purchased these little guys, I have had 1 in the 10 gallon die and just this morning I found 2 in the bowl, deader than dead.

Now maybe the LFS where I got them just doesn't have the best supply but I was wondering if there might be something else that could have caused them to go belly up?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated (I am a newbie to these little guys).
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Have any idea of pH, TDS, GH, KH? Shrimp have a little bit more specific needs besides 0 Ammonia, Nitrite and Nitrate. Without those readings it will be hard to help unfortunately
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Old 01-26-2013, 06:20 PM   #3
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Do you have any current photos of your two tanks?
  • What type of filtration are you using in the tanks?
  • Brand & model of the filter?

  • What are the the other parameters?
  • What test kit are you using to determine these numbers?
  • Temperature of the water?
  • Temperature of the room the tanks are housed in?
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Also, how long did you acclimate them for (drip them in...shrimp aren't meant to be floated like fish).
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Old 01-26-2013, 06:44 PM   #5
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Do you have any current photos of your two tanks?
  • What type of filtration are you using in the tanks?
  • Brand & model of the filter?
  • What are the the other parameters?
  • What test kit are you using to determine these numbers?
  • Temperature of the water?
  • Temperature of the room the tanks are housed in?
In the 10 gallon I have a standard Equeon 10 HOB (it was a starter 10 gallon kit) and in the bowl I have no filtration.

I did some more tests and the pH is about 8. kH was 8 drops using the API kit and GH was about 5 drops (sorry I am still learning what that actually means as far as degrees of hardness etc).

Temps in the tank are about 75*F and the bowl is about 71*C (which is about room temp....it has no heater in the bowl).

I also have about 4 amano (sp?) shrimp in the 10 gallon tank and they have been doing well for over a month.
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Also, how long did you acclimate them for (drip them in...shrimp aren't meant to be floated like fish).
I have a feeling this could be part of the problem.

I took them from the bag and put them into a container with the water from the LFS. I then slowly added tank/bowl water to each container based on where they were going to go. I did a little bit over time for about 40 minutes.

Maybe I should have done it for longer?
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That's fine for cherries. So that IMO isn't the problem.
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Old 01-27-2013, 12:45 AM   #8
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Yeah, I float cherries and once the temp is acclimated, drop them right in. They are good to go. Yellow neos and other types of shrimp...I'd do a nice long slow drip.
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Yeah, I float cherries and once the temp is acclimated, drop them right in. They are good to go. Yellow neos and other types of shrimp...I'd do a nice long slow drip.

Just for anyone else reading, if you get shrimp in Kordon Breather bags you are not supposed to float them. You can suffocate them this way. It's actually all over the Kordon site but many folks don't realize this...I didn't when I got my first shipment in. Fortunately no casualties but I also only 'floated' them for 30 minutes...and they were cherries
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All fish & shrimp should be drip acclimated. Some people get away without , but it is not humane if you do not drip them in . TDS readings should be taken at the store as well as Gh, Kh. Prime or water conditioner should be added to fish bag with shrimps or fish. Toxic ammonia will be produced quickly.
Asmotic shock is the # 1 killer with livestock transfer.
The cells can explode if the fishes TDS drops too quickly or they can suffocate their cells if the TDS rises too quickly.
If TDS change is large than days or weeks may be necessary to make proper osmotic changes in the organism weather shrimp or fish.
Drip acclimation is just as important to fish as well as shrimp, there is no difference in them. They both can die from osmotic shock.
If the TDS is not that different then there could be other factors like ammonia poisoning in the bag. But without TDS readings you will not know for sure. TDS meters are not expensive , every person keeping fish & shrimp should have one.
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Just for anyone else reading, if you get shrimp in Kordon Breather bags you are not supposed to float them. You can suffocate them this way. It's actually all over the Kordon site but many folks don't realize this...I didn't when I got my first shipment in. Fortunately no casualties but I also only 'floated' them for 30 minutes...and they were cherries
Even if the top half of the bag is out of the water?
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Even if the top half of the bag is out of the water?

Floating wouldn't be done any other way right? Not saying that to be a smart alec. I'm going to assume if the company says 'do not float the bags' that they are also considering the top part being out of the water. It's generally been under the FAQ part of the Kordon site but they've got it down right now 'under construction'. Just do a search for 'floating Kordon breather bags' and you'll find enough info on it
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Well, usually a Kordan is completely filled with water with no airspace which in that case they would sink. Right? So under that circumstance I can see why you wouldn't want to "float" them because having them underwater would prevent air exchange.
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Woke up to another dead one in my 1 gallon bowl.

Grrrr either I got a bad batch from the LFS or shrimp keeping skills need a lot of improvement.
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Well, usually a Kordan is completely filled with water with no airspace which in that case they would sink. Right? So under that circumstance I can see why you wouldn't want to "float" them because having them underwater would prevent air exchange.

As I mentioned earlier, I've floated a Kordon bag because I didn't know any better. And it floated. So not sure what to tell ya there.
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