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Old 06-04-2013, 03:38 AM   #1
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WTB/input needed on UG


Hey all.
I finally started setting up my ADA 60P and wanted to carpet the tank. It's a toss up between HC or UG. I haven't decided yet.
I've been reading up on UG and wanted to know if anyone has any tips/pointers for me and if anyone has some for sale.
Thanks!
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Old 06-04-2013, 08:32 AM   #2
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I would stay away from it. Besides I really don't think anyone on this island can get it. If your thinking on doing another tank with and inverts the plants is labeled as a carnivorous plant. It has trapping devices that can kill shrimp. Shrimp carry good of amount of nitrogen that is a main reason why most planted invert keepers don't add nitrogen as a nutrient to their tanks.

If you can get your hand on HM then I would go with that. HM is a little bigger and grow a lot faster.
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Old 06-04-2013, 08:49 PM   #3
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I've grown UG and HC, both tend to float up after a while once it gets too thick... I'm growing lilaeopsis mini now and it is awesome, grows slowly and stays pretty short, also roots well and I haven't had a problem with it floating off and it is pretty thick.
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Old 06-04-2013, 09:03 PM   #4
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I would stay away from it. Besides I really don't think anyone on this island can get it. If your thinking on doing another tank with and inverts the plants is labeled as a carnivorous plant. It has trapping devices that can kill shrimp. Shrimp carry good of amount of nitrogen that is a main reason why most planted invert keepers don't add nitrogen as a nutrient to their tanks.

If you can get your hand on HM then I would go with that. HM is a little bigger and grow a lot faster.
I'm not so sure it can kill shrimp, maybe smaller crustaceans, besides, the OP never said he wanted to keep shrimp. I would suggest DSM.

However I'm unsure if it can get shipped to Hawaii.
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Old 06-05-2013, 07:44 AM   #5
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I'm not so sure it can kill shrimp, maybe smaller crustaceans, besides, the OP never said he wanted to keep shrimp. I would suggest DSM.

However I'm unsure if it can get shipped to Hawaii.
Let me clarify. Shrimplets..... They will kill shrimplets. I had ug and my inverts couldn't reproduce fast enough to keep up with the ug. Inverts contain high nitrogen levels which attracts the ug to the shrimp. Ug loves nitrogen just like frogbit. But frogbit isnt a carnivore plant
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Old 06-07-2013, 08:17 AM   #6
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Let me clarify. Shrimplets..... They will kill shrimplets. I had ug and my inverts couldn't reproduce fast enough to keep up with the ug. Inverts contain high nitrogen levels which attracts the ug to the shrimp. Ug loves nitrogen just like frogbit. But frogbit isnt a carnivore plant
What do you mean 'inverts contain high nitrogen levels which attract the UG to the shrimp'? Can you please extrapolate that statement.
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Old 06-08-2013, 09:10 AM   #7
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What do you mean 'inverts contain high nitrogen levels which attract the UG to the shrimp'? Can you please extrapolate that statement.
Shrimp piss and [censored][censored][censored][censored] nitrogen. Try add nitrogen to your tank to raise ppm and watch them slowly die due to overdose. Frogbit lilies thrive off nitrogen. Place it in your tank with little current and watch it thrive frogbit sucks out nitrogen out of your tank. For everyone read up on ug. Ug makes a air bubble looking pod to kill it's prey it is a carnivore plant. It like nitrogen it will eat shrimplets and gammrus shrimp also micro crabs but we don't have them here. I don't think but I could be wrong. Shrimps are scavengers which means there always searching for food on plants, substrate, rocks, moss, etc. They poss and [censored][censored][censored][censored] as they go. When they urinate and deficate that's when the ug strikes.

Get my explanation sublime? When I had ug all my levels were stable conditions, no over feeding, and no bacteria infections. All were molting and still able to berry so I knew I was on the right path. There was basically no other explanation why my shrimplets hatch from berries and all of a sudden disappear. Can't say fish cause there no fish in my planted tanks.

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Old 06-09-2013, 07:29 AM   #8
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Shrimp piss and [censored][censored][censored][censored] nitrogen. Try add nitrogen to your tank to raise ppm and watch them slowly die due to overdose..
??? True shrimp have excrement that contain nitrogenous waste. However adding nitrogen to your tank will not necessarily kill them. I dose nitrogen in my planted shrimp tank all the time and have not had any deaths that I could attribute to dosing nitrogen.


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Frogbit lilies thrive off nitrogen. Place it in your tank with little current and watch it thrive frogbit sucks out nitrogen out of your tank. For everyone read up on ug. Ug makes a air bubble looking pod to kill it's prey it is a carnivore plant. It like nitrogen it will eat shrimplets and gammrus shrimp also micro crabs but we don't have them here. I don't think but I could be wrong.
True frogbit will utilize nitrogen quickly, as well as any other fast growing plant. The 'air bubble looking pod' is referred to as a trap or bladder which can entrap organisms small enough to fit into the bladders 'trap door'.

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Shrimps are scavengers which means there always searching for food on plants, substrate, rocks, moss, etc. They poss and [censored][censored][censored][censored] as they go. When they urinate and deficate that's when the ug strikes.
The UG does not actively 'hunt' for organisms to trap as you allude to. The shrimps excrement has nothing to do with the UG's ability to trap an organism. The trapping of an organism is totally passive until an organism passes close enough to sensitive bristles surrounding the traps entrance. Once the organism contacts the bristles, it causes the 'door' of the trap to open and the organism is sucked into the trap.

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Get my explanation sublime? When I had ug all my levels were stable conditions, no over feeding, and no bacteria infections. All were molting and still able to berry so I knew I was on the right path. There was basically no other explanation why my shrimplets hatch from berries and all of a sudden disappear. Can't say fish cause there no fish in my planted tanks.
Did you actually see the baby shrimp get entrapped by the UG? I'm sure some of them may have fallen prey to the UG but not all of them. Maybe there was not enough biofilm in your tank for the baby shrimp to survive. To say that all your shrimp fell prey to the UG is pure speculation unless you witnessed it.
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Old 06-10-2013, 11:06 AM   #9
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Sublime,

I agree to your hunting quote and organisim being trapped. If you grow ug as I have and cover 60% of your tank as u can tell. Shrimp are more than likely to get caught up in the ug.

Yes I have seen more than one shrimp caught up in the ug. Dead. As any other organism such as planaria and hydras, bacteria and so on there are shrimp cures. I immediately check if I see a shrimp dead. All levels ph, gh, kh, ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, hydras, or other unwanted organisms. If all is good I still treat for bacteria and treat for hydras or planaria. By experience I recommend not to get it. But you may have had success with the ug plants it's just my feelings on it.

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Old 06-10-2013, 11:19 AM   #10
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Let me clarify. Shrimplets..... They will kill shrimplets. I had ug and my inverts couldn't reproduce fast enough to keep up with the ug. Inverts contain high nitrogen levels which attracts the ug to the shrimp. Ug loves nitrogen just like frogbit. But frogbit isnt a carnivore plant

Whoops. Didnt mean to start a debate! But I appreciate the info!
The last thing I want is for the babies to get eaten and I remember reading about the nitrogen. Perhaps hc and blyxa it is.
Now to do the hard scape... : it's gonna take me a while.
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