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Old 01-17-2006, 12:07 AM   #46
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Hi Fish newb,

It's like riding a bike, really very simple, but tell that to someone whom has not rode yet! eh,

Balance!

Light, C02, Nutrient's.

50%H20 change-weekly
+/-1/2Tsp KN03 3x a week
+/-1/8Tsp KH2P04 3x a week
+/-10ml Trace 3x a week

@4wpg, you should be dosing at least
1/4Tsp KN03
1/8Tsp KH2P04
10ml Trace 3x a week
or you are going to have unpleasent issue's

gregwatson.com can fix you up with all the nutrient's
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1lb KN03,
1lb KH2P04,
1lb of Plantex CSM+B
He also has the small measuring spoons, or you can get them at wal-mart.

Having an insufficient amount of plant's in a new tank is another error, waiting for them to grow in will invite algae, unless you cut your light by half.

I would reduce the lighting to 2wpg or less until you can give the plant's what they need for the highligh environment.

Some variable's involved when dosing, fishload, source water, etc.
Keep reading and asking all the questions you want, you will get it!

Read rex guide if you haven't yet, good place to start.
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Old 01-19-2006, 10:44 PM   #47
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thanks a lot! ill have to order them. and i cant reduce the light... since they are all wierd together. i do have some algea but not much.

also when you say three times a week. when would you suggest? could i just dose them all on monday,wensday,friday?

thanks alot again!

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Old 01-20-2006, 12:09 PM   #48
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I do not know what others do, but I plan my dosing arround my schedule. I start it off the morning after my water change. I have found that prime messes with my NO3 test kit and am not sure if it is actually messing with my NO3 or not. As a precaution, I am now letting prime do it's thing with the cloromine overnight and starting my ferts in the morning.

My water day varies between Sunday and Tuesday.
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Old 01-23-2006, 01:55 PM   #49
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thanks a lot! ill have to order them. and i cant reduce the light... since they are all wierd together. i do have some algea but not much.

also when you say three times a week. when would you suggest? could i just dose them all on monday,wensday,friday?

thanks alot again!

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You could raise the fixture above tank some.

An "example" of dosing 3x a week

40~60gal
Sunday-----Day1) 50% H20 change, 1/2Tsp-KN03, 1/8-ish/Tsp-KH2P04,
Monday-----Day2) 10ml Trace,
Tuesday----Day3) 1/2Tsp-KN03, 1/8ish/Tsp-KH2P04,
Wednesday-Day4) See day2
Thursday---Day5) See day3
Friday------Day6) See day2
Saturday---Day7) Nothing or prune, or walk the dog,
Sunday-----Day8) See day1

This would be with a good plant load, if low plant load dose about half this, if you do not have C02 dont worry about any of it, dose some trace once a week.
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Old 01-23-2006, 02:54 PM   #50
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Hi!

I'll throw myself into the discussion. I am battling an invasion of staghorn at the moment, hence looking into EI dosing of dry ferts. It is starting to make sense that if there is ANY nutrient in deficiency the algae, being opportunistic, can take advantage of the situation.

Anyway, just a quick comment re dosing: 1/8 teaspoon... have even seen 1/32 elsewhere I am guessing this has to be an estimate (as with the whole method). I have read Rex' guide but still unsure about a few things:

1) should the dry ferts be dosed straight into the tank - in powder form?
2) is it okay to use teaspoon or is a digital gram scale neccessary?
3) any recommended trace mixture? TMG is readily available in here in Europe...

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Hello Amitabh,

1)Dosing in powder form directly to tank is perfectly okay and safe, or you can mix in a cup with a bit of water stir and serve, either way!

2)Teaspoons are fine, digital scales are optional and entirely up to you, but not necessary.

3) TMG is fine, Flourish by Seachem, or Plantex CSM+B, any one will do just fine.
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Perfect, thanks for quick answer!

I am in the process of ordering the chemicals - I am lucky as I can get them locally.

Okay, I was just feeling a bit shaky when thinking how to dose 1/32 teaspoon... that would indeed be VERY estimative!

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i do have co2 and i cant raise the light... im very depressed to say i have a horrible outbreak of green water so im thinking about doing a black out for around a week? then im going to start my dosing! thanks alot im going to need to get my stuff now!

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Ok I have read this thread and have a 75G that is planted. One question though that I can't seem to figure out. I am using fleets for my source of PO4, right now I am dosing 2ml 3x a week. Going according to tank 3's chart for dosing it calls for 3/16Tsp of KH2PO4 3x a week. Is the 2ml I am dosing enough to equate to the 3/16Tsp?
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Hello Mustang,

Answer this please sir, at any given time performing a P04 test, do you have a reading of 1~3ppm P04? if so, you are within range, if not, adjust accordingly.
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I am missing something here I bet. I have a 72g heavily planted tank, and all I add in it *continuously* (using dosing pumps) is 2mL/hr of CSM+B and 1ml/hr of Flourish Excel. These go in 24/7 and then every 3 weeks when I do a 40% water change I pump about 15mL of each.

Oh and of course, there is about a minuscule amount of algae that the SAE and I (using my glass scrubber) take care of.

I am not sure if one needs to dose it so accurately everyday.

Just my ¢2!

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Old 02-09-2006, 09:33 PM   #57
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I am missing something here I bet. I have a 72g heavily planted tank, and all I add in it *continuously* (using dosing pumps) is 2mL/hr of CSM+B and 1ml/hr of Flourish Excel. These go in 24/7 and then every 3 weeks when I do a 40% water change I pump about 15mL of each.

Oh and of course, there is about a minuscule amount of algae that the SAE and I (using my glass scrubber) take care of.

I am not sure if one needs to dose it so accurately everyday.

Just my 2!

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I'm no expert, but it seems like you're only doseing micros and CO2. Your plants will fare much better with some macro dosages. I used to use Flourish Excel not that long ago for my CO2, and still, my plants benifited from recieving some macros (although not dosed as often).
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oops! My mistake. i meant that I am dosing with GW mix. Sorry about that.

1/2 litre of water
1 tablespoon chelated trace mix
1 tablespoon MgSO4+7H2O (Magnesium Sulfate)
2 tablespoons K2SO4 (Potassium Sulfate)
1 tablespoon KNO3 (Potassium

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For the guy that was pining for HCl, you can get it at home depot in the swimming pool department as 'muriatic acid'. I used it for recharging DI resin for the tank with no problems. This stuff is pretty strong, be careful.
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Old 03-09-2006, 06:50 AM   #60
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Here is what I am dosing for a 35 G high light + CO2.

50%H20 change-weekly
1.5 gr. KN03 3x a week
0.2 gr. KH2P04 3x a week
0.3 gr. K2S04 3x a week
10 ml Flourish 3x a week

I received this week some iron chelate 10%, so I was wondering what I should do?

5ml Flourish + 1ml Fe 3x a week
or
5ml Flourish + 2ml Fe 3x a week
or
10ml Flourish + 1ml Fe 3x a week
or
10ml Flourish + 2ml Fe 3x a week

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