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Old 08-06-2013, 03:09 AM   #451
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Question: when mixing the CSM+B and Iron do I use 1 Tbsp of each or 2 of each I'm mixing with 500ml h20.?




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For higher light, Co2 enriched tank's that are moderately
to heavy planted.

Add o2 to your tank daily, by either air stone or surface
agitation.

Dry Dosing... Use measuring spoon's found at
most department store's in the utensils section, scoop
appropriate amount and toss in the tank, simple as that!

I use to keep an old travel mug under the tank, and
keep fertilizers in large spice bottles, scoop appropriate
amount into cup, dip in tank, stir and serve.
Tsp=Teaspoon

*Dry Dosing Plantex CSM+B...
Converting 1 tablespoon to 250ml H20,
20 ml = 1/4 teaspoon of dry fertilizer.
There are 12 - 1/4 teaspoons dissolved
250ml/12=20.83ml.

20~40gal
50% H20 change-weekly
1/4 Tsp-KN03 3x a week
1/16 Tsp-KH2P04 3x aweek
1/2 Tsp-GH booster once a week
5ml or 1/16Tsp-Trace 3x a week
Optional
1-2ml-Fe/Iron 3x a week

"If dosing a 10gal highlight C02 enriched tank,
divide above regime x2"


40~60gal
50% H20 change-weekly
1/2 Tsp-KN03 3x a week
1/8 Tsp-KH2P04 3x a week
3/4 Tsp-GH booster once a week
10ml or 1/8Tsp-Trace 3x a week
Optional
2-4ml-Fe/Iron 3x a week

60~80gal
50% H20 change-weekly
3/4 Tsp-KN03 3x a week
3/16 Tsp-KH2P04 3x a week
1 Tsp-GH booster once a week
15ml 3/16Tsp-Trace 3x a week
Optional
4-8ml-Fe/Iron 3x a week

Mixing Trace Element and Iron, Plantex CSM+B,
Fe/Iron Chelate 10%- mix 1Tbsp per 250ml water-
one cap full=5ml

Adding Sodium Bicarb/baking soda:
One teaspoon baking soda will increase the kH of
50 liters of water approx. 13 gallons by 4 degrees.

Algae Issue's?
Increase C02, even if you have to use Flourish Excel,
and decrease the light, raise it up off the tank,
burn it less hour's etc, then re-evaluate the C02.

Clean & prune, all the plant's, manually remove as much
algae as you can, good condition's will slow it's growth,
even stop growth, you will need to remove the remaining
algae by hand...

Make sure you're C02 is at optimal condition's.

GDA: Cause-Too much light, reduce intensity

BBA: Add more C02/ Reduce light intensity and or duration.

BGA: add N03 and 02/oxygen.

Fish gasping? 02 Issue's?
Increase surface movement/splash, for night time/lights out,
decrease for opposite, if having 02 issue's surface
movement/splash is good.
So a simple lift of the spray bar or lily pipe to break the
surface will remedy that.

Good article on Biochemical Oxygen Demand

BOD http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/278839-post41.html

'Fertilizers for sale'

http://www.pfertz.com/

http://www.aquariumfertilizer.com/

http://www.greenleafaquariums.com/aq...ertilizer.html

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This chart is to be used "ASSUMING" proper lighting levels are
being met. Without adequate lighting, this chart can't help you.
Check your bulbs and other threads on lighting to re-assure that
you have a proper light set-up for whatever method of aquatic
gardening you wish to achieve.

The Green represents growth, in group 1 we see that plant growth
is hindered because Micro nutrients aren't being met. Although all
other demands are given in plentiful amounts, growth is stunted by
the lacking nutrient.

Group2 is meant to demonstrate low amounts of nutrient balance =
slow growth. Lighting will drive the plants to soak up nutrients to no
end. They take and take depending on the intensity of light with no
real control. If you limit the amount of nutrients you place inside the
water column and substrate, you limit their growth, no matter how
long you run your lights.

Group 3 represents maximum growth given that all nutrients are in
abundance within a level tolerable to other inhabitants. The EI
method ensures that all nutrients are provided within tolerable
amounts to fauna, as well as a bit excess for flora, all excess is
removed with a water change every week.

Credit to Sarge for graph and text.
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An example of dosing 3x a week on my 46g tank,
This is what I do.

Sunday-----Day1)Prune,Preen,Clean glass inside, 50% or more H20
change, vac/sub, 1/2Tsp-KN03, 1/8-ish/Tsp-KH2P04,1/8Tsp-K2S04,
clean glass on outside.
Monday-----Day2) 10ml Trace, 2ml-Fe
Tuesday----Day3) 1/2Tsp-KN03, 1/8ish/Tsp-KH2P04,1/8Tsp-K2S04.
Wednesday-Day4) See day2
Thursday---Day5) See day3
Friday------Day6) See day2
Saturday---Day7) Nothing or prune, or walk the dog etc.
Sunday-----Day8) See day1

Thank you cbennet for the handout you made available
to the public during your presentation at a local meeting...Kudo's!
This can either be printed directly off the screen, or
you can drag and drop it to your desktop for printing.
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Old 08-06-2013, 03:04 PM   #452
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The way that the article is written, I would interpret it as either 1 tablespoon of iron chelate or 1 tablespoon of CSM+B.

If you want to dose both, then you can add one of each.
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Old 01-31-2014, 06:19 PM   #453
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Thought I was done but last question, this is what I'm dosing my 70gal high light tank with the same as this beside the GH booster n bakin soda. All plants are fine an thriving but I do notice that when I grab a stem on accident it actually snaps no bending at all not even a little bit. Can anyone help with what is causing this?
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Old 01-31-2014, 06:57 PM   #454
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Thought I was done but last question, this is what I'm dosing my 70gal high light tank with the same as this beside the GH booster n bakin soda. All plants are fine an thriving but I do notice that when I grab a stem on accident it actually snaps no bending at all not even a little bit. Can anyone help with what is causing this?
I've always heard potassium is what helps strengthen the plants so maybe a little more would help here ? You can have plants not showing visual evidence of K+ deficiencies b/c you have just enough but too little for physical health.

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Old 02-01-2014, 12:36 AM   #455
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Thought I was done but last question, this is what I'm dosing my 70gal high light tank with the same as this beside the GH booster n bakin soda. All plants are fine an thriving but I do notice that when I grab a stem on accident it actually snaps no bending at all not even a little bit. Can anyone help with what is causing this?
Many stem plants can survive best if they can break off pieces which drift away to root themselves somewhere else. It is possible that the ones that snap easily are the healthiest. But, it is also possible that the easy breaking is a response to less than good living conditions where they are, which would mean those that snap easily are the least healthy.
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Old 02-01-2014, 03:06 AM   #456
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I've always heard potassium is what helps strengthen the plants so maybe a little more would help here ? You can have plants not showing visual evidence of K+ deficiencies b/c you have just enough but too little for physical health.
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Many stem plants can survive best if they can break off pieces which drift away to root themselves somewhere else. It is possible that the ones that snap easily are the healthiest. But, it is also possible that the easy breaking is a response to less than good living conditions where they are, which would mean those that snap easily are the least healthy.
I will try both of these methods an post my results the only thing I can think of is doin more water changes per week, as for the ferts I add 2 different potassiums to my tank but as u see 1 u use 1 tsp and the other is a 1/4 tsp I can try n up the 1/4 to 1/2 or 3/4 tsp.
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Just checking on some calculator calculations. Assuming I have the right plant density lighting etc. I want to make two bottles with the listed items. Does this seem right?

29g tank

Macro Bottle
Kno3 - 27.25tsp per 500ml with 5ml doses - 7.5ppm
KH2P04 - 5.3tsp per 500ml with 5ml doses - 1.3ppm
K2S04 - 37.2tsp per 500ml with 5ml doses - 7.50ppm

Micro Bottle
Plantex = 17.1tsp per 500ml with 5ml doses - .50ppm
Iron 11% = 10.1tsp per 500ml with 5ml doses - .50ppm
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Been useing this method for sometime now 50% WC on Sundays, Nutrient dosing is done following the water change.
Su, Tu, Th: 1 tsp KNO3, 1/8 tsp KH2PO4, 1/4 tsp K2SO4
M, W, F: 10 ml Plantex/iron from a stock solution of 2 tbsp in 500ml water. Since then i have rescaped my tank to mostly anubis from a stocked tank of stems/root feeders an moss, questiin is should i cut back on any of the ferts? Not seeing any algae or anything so i guess i would be doing it to be a cheapskate lol anyway what do u guys think?

This is my tank now.
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Old 04-20-2014, 12:12 AM   #459
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How effective is the de-gas method at measuring co2?
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Has anyone seen data showing the range of ppm of CO2 in water exposed to room air? Without knowing that, the de-gas method for measuring CO2 isn't accurate at all. A 1pH drop caused by CO2 means the ppm of CO2 went up by a factor of 10. But, if you don't know where it started you don't know what to multiply by 10 to get the ppm of CO2. People assume it will start at 3 ppm, but I haven't seen the data to prove that.
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^^ I guess it's back to the good old drop checker method..
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I haven't checked my CO2 levels in over a year. Just eye balled the bubble rate and watch the fish. The plants will grow and choke up the whole tank in about 2-3 months if I don't do heavy pruning. Haven't used any of my dry ferts either. Just what the fish supply.
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Old 06-26-2014, 01:29 PM   #463
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I'm dosing with EI method
3x Macros {Weekly}
3x Micros {Weekly}
Please tell me at what time I should dose 'Macros' &
what time I should dose 'Micros'

I Turn-on the Lights at 3:00p.m. & Turn-off at 11:00p.m.
Please replyasap I'm waiting...
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I'm dosing with EI method
3x Macros {Weekly}
3x Micros {Weekly}
Please tell me at what time I should dose 'Macros' &
what time I should dose 'Micros'

I Turn-on the Lights at 3:00p.m. & Turn-off at 11:00p.m.
Please replyasap I'm waiting...
Due to the nature and philosophy of EI, time of day is not important. That said, I run my auto-doser at 6 am so that the nutrients are well mixed throughout the water for when the daytime lights come on at noon. I don't think it makes much of a difference though.
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Old 07-11-2014, 02:36 PM   #465
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Bump - this should be stickied
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