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Old 01-26-2013, 12:19 PM   #31
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Hi Shift.

Pond snails would be a small sourceof ammonia, but probably not significant. I also think that they would not survive the spikes of a bacteria cycle.

If you, for whatever reason, can't use a substrate and plants, you could put in some plants in plant pots and if you use stem plants you might be able to do a "silent cycle" (with plants).

Otherwise, I would do an added ammonia cycle or even better, seeding from another tank that's already completed cycling. Probably the fastest way to non-plant cycle.

Btw, how many days did it take to complete the plant cycle. If you have adequate lighting to grow the plants, it shouldn't have taken long, and I think that's the way it worked out. Meanwhile, the bacteria are slowly settling into the tank slowly.
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Old 01-26-2013, 03:53 PM   #32
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Default planted cycling - how much how long?

It's was about a week and a half. The other 3 tanks will get plants. It haut won't be nearly as heavily planted as the first one. I can prob steal a bit of grave to help jump start it. I just don't have sponge filters yet. So I'm relying on air stones for now.
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Well, congratulations on completing the plant cycle! I hope your tanks go down to zero ammonia with less plants to process it.

I don't have any experience with light planting for plant cycling. I would be very interested in how it goes.

Make sure that there's sufficient water circulation (below the surface). This will move the ammonia around the tank. The oxygen comes in through gas exchange through the water surface by itself. So you don't need any bubble- producing devices that create surface agitation, losing CO2, as long as you have enough circulation around the tank. I should tell you that using/not using bubbling devices is a very controversial subject in some areas.

In addition to other plants you would like to get, fast-growing stem plants and others are the ones that do the real work of consuming ammonia.

btw, you can put in the plants any time you have water in them. Good luck.
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Old 01-26-2013, 10:21 PM   #34
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Well its been a good day!

I finally found some pure ammonia, got 5 heaters for 20$ and got a good chunk of java moss from an established tank full of bacteria good ness. The 3 shrimp tanks should be on their way to being cycled in no time

How many drops or ml of ammonia would equal 3-5 ppm in a 10 gallon tanks? Any rough estimates to get started?
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Hi Shift,

Here is one of many links that can be found using Google. You can verify the information found at the following links about cycling with ammonia:

http://www.americanaquariumproducts....ml#pureammonia

http://www.csupomona.edu/~jskoga/Aquariums/Ammonia.html

Use "Aquarium cycle Ammonia" or something else in Google.

There is a search facility here too.
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Well one of the tanks i seeded with a bit of gravel from an established, the rest are hopefully semi seeded with a lovely cloud of bacteria from wishing a chunk of javamoss in the tank (and leaving it in) I haven recieved my sponge filters yet so I just put in a air stone/heaters to get it going for now .. along with a few plants. Hopefully it wont take too long but ill let you know how it goes.

I did 4 drops of ammonia in each 10 gallon tank. and added 25ml of cycle. so hopefully this special blend willget the ball rolling.. I may do an ammonia test tomorrow on one of them to see where its at... in theory they should all be decently similar.

I plan on adding cycle for the 3 days (as per bottle) and a few drops of ammonia each day.
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Sounds like you've got everything under control. Unfortunately, we won't be able to tell how much ammonia the plants are taking care of. Except by looking at the nitrate. Not much or no nitrates would make me think that the plants are consuming most or all of the ammonia.
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I Just did a test and it was only reading .5 after 4 drops early today.. so i just dosed another 4 drops.
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Default planted cycling - how much how long?

Not the prettiest yet.. But it's a start! (And will be fun to scape).
Hopefully the rocks in the bottoms left tank are fish/shrimp safe.

Right now I just have a 15w led shop light pointed at them unlit I have a chance to build in some led strip lights
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Old 01-29-2013, 05:29 AM   #40
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Led upgrade!
The top tanks will need more leds, but its a good start

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Old 01-30-2013, 06:47 AM   #41
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I don't know what kind of space you have above the top level, but I have a 13w CFL in a metal reflector and it's a little too bright. Depending on how low-light tanks you want and the space you have, you might want to try a 10w or other if they make them.

This is from when I had 2 10w CFLs in reflectors - you can't see the whole reflector, but I thought this would give you an idea of how the tank lighting looks.

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Old 01-30-2013, 07:26 AM   #42
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Django - i actually removed the light socket as they were missing the splash gards.. I could add them in.. but Ill see how the LEDs do first.. I would like to plant the top one fairly heavy as it will be my fry grow out tank.


On a cycling note.

The tanks have been running for about 4 days. I cracked up the heaters to 80 ish, have doused the the nutra fin cycle, added plants and dirty bacteria filled java moss, dumped in a bit of dirty water (from vacuuming the other tanks) and have been dosing 3-5 ish drops of ammonia daily. I just checked the ammonia and its back down to .5

I still haven't received the sponge filters so just have little air stones runing in each tank for movement.

It looks like this super accelerated cycle is off to a good start. I haven bothered checking the ammonia/nitrate levels yet.. Ill start tomorrow.
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Old 01-30-2013, 08:39 AM   #43
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Default planted cycling - how much how long?

Should I keep dosing ammonia or quit and most monitor the other parameters? I have a feeling I should continue to feed the bacteria. Maybe ill cut back to 3 drops per day
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Hey Shift,

I think you should go until ammonia and nitrites have spiked read zero and there are Nitrates. Then you should do a big water change to take down the Nitrates. You don't really need to test Nitrates until Nitrites have spiked. An aggravating time - I started with fish food and ended up with plants.

You did well so far in starting the tanks. There's not much more you can do now except test ammonia and nitrites.

Stick with it.

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Old 01-30-2013, 03:20 PM   #45
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I will keep adding 3-4 drops daily for now.


I doses this morning (8-9am) tested around noon and the ammonia was fairly low 0-.5 (hard to tell exact color) and the nitrite test was bright pink! so this is a good sign.

I generally pick a random tank to test, i'm assuming all 3 will be about the same. Only real difference is some have more plants.

From my understanding i should keep dosing 4 ish drops of ammonia daily and just watch the nitrites until i see them drop to 0.. and once I do it will be considered cycled?
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