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Old 11-20-2008, 10:23 PM   #1
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Brazilian Sword, true aquatic?


I have a Brazilian Sword plant that I have read is not aquatic and will die a few months after placement in the tank... I've had it for 4 months and it's not dead yet (even with my hair algae out break). Not that I want it to die, it looks good but I am just confused because I see there are threads about them on the forum and no one seems to respond with, "hey stupid thier not aquatic". Actually sounds like most people's are growing just fine.
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Old 11-20-2008, 11:28 PM   #2
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You read right. It will take quite a while to die, but it's not going to survive.
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Old 11-21-2008, 09:54 AM   #3
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You read right. It will take quite a while to die, but it's not going to survive.
That is incorrect.

They are in fact true aquatic plants,and they can be grown either fully or partially submersed.
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Yep, these plants have a submerge and emersed form.
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Old 11-21-2008, 01:09 PM   #5
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If you mean Spathiphyllum sp., aka. peace lily, with the Brazilian sword then the above is news to me. I have never heard it having a submersed form. Neither have I heard it will survive under water.
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Thank you Daniel. I too was surprised to hear that a plant that eventually dies and rots for most people can be grown submersed for others. That is, of course, unless they have confused it with an Echinodorus.
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http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/pl...ord-plant.html

This is what I saw... maybe it's a common name problem, two different plants with same common name? I was wondering if there was some way to make it survive (pull it out for a season and put it in a mini terrarium?) just curious.
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I think they are discussing the Amazon sword (Echinodorus grisebachii, ex-bleherae, ex-amazonicus, ex-parviflorus) there, or maybe the first person asked about a Helanthium species (ex-Echinodorus bolivianus, ex-E. tenellus, etc.). The Spathiphyllum species make sideshoots from the rhizome/stem but not plantlets or runners.
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If you mean Spathiphyllum sp., aka. peace lily, with the Brazilian sword then the above is news to me. I have never heard it having a submersed form. Neither have I heard it will survive under water.
I was referring to this plant.
Echinodorus Bleheri
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Ah, that explains it! What I've learned is that E. bleherae is usually called Broad-leafed Amazon Sword.
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Old 12-19-2008, 03:08 PM   #11
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Sorry to revive my old thread but I have a follow up question for you wise planted tanked tank experts.

I think the plant I have is Spathiphyllum tasson or the Peace Lily. Apparently it will grow submersed for months. My question is about the little tank I just set up for my African Dwarf Frogs. The tank is like a makeshift vivarium, water level is at about 6 inches. I know that peace lilies are the plant that was used for that crazy betta in a vase fad... so can they grow with their roots submerged and their leaves out of the water? Anyone have any experience with this?
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Old 12-19-2008, 03:34 PM   #12
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I'm all for reviving an old thread if the subject is the same. It's much easier to find them later!

I had a Spathiphyllum wallisii growing with just roots in water & the crown of the plant at the surface. It did well this way. The roots grew into the filter foam I had used for a DIY filter. Hope this helps.
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oh that does help! thanks for the quick response. I actually have a bare bottom (makes it easier for the frog to find thier food and keep the tank clean) so I was wondering what I could for the plant roots to anchor. Right now it is still potted but I think that may prevent the roots from growing.
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Old 12-20-2008, 05:34 AM   #14
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Actually, I think it would do better potted (in substrate, not rock wool since that has the potential cause problems for livestock and filters) than loose in a bare-bottomed tank, if that's what you're asking?
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Old 12-20-2008, 05:53 AM   #15
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actually i was going to do like Daniel Swords did, "the roots grew into the filter foam". So I was going to cut a hole in a foam block and rubber band the plant in there until it grew roots into the block, and the pot does have rock wool.
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