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Old 10-05-2012, 12:37 PM   #1
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Plants are still in bad shape. Pulling my hair


As you can see (photos taken this morning) my plants are in dire shape and after ppl commented about my previous dosing regime I switched and I am now dosing: 5ml of N and K - three times a week, 4ml of PO4 - three times a week, 1 ml Fe - twice a week, and 2.1 ml flourish - twice a week. I do a 50% change once a week.

I have an 18" cube (25g) with four 23W cfl 6500k. Co2 injection, eco complete substrate, my tank temp is 76-80, and the light are on for about 8 hours a day...

What is wrong????? Even my floaters are dying off!!!!






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Old 10-05-2012, 01:37 PM   #2
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I have the same tank and just started and was having a lot of issues too. Have you checked all your parameters? GH,Kh, nitrates etc? drop check/co2? I didn't before and when i did I was way off on my nitrates and gh. I checked my par and was way off too. changed a few things and now i'm finally seeing good pearling.
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Old 10-05-2012, 03:27 PM   #3
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If your floaters are dying it's a good sign you need more nutrients. You probably need more CO2 for the plants in the water too.

Cheap dry fertz is a good solution.
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Old 10-05-2012, 06:38 PM   #4
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I think the water is really saturated with CO2 actually. I do get pearling and my ph is very low at 6.4.

I order a test kit to look deeper into my tank.

You think the amount of nutrients I add are not enough??
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Old 10-05-2012, 06:42 PM   #5
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I don't know too much about these things but I would say you just have too much light.
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Old 10-05-2012, 06:48 PM   #6
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I will post in the lighting section about that. I heard this before...
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Old 10-05-2012, 10:42 PM   #7
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I just tested my waters for the first time with my test kit - PH 6.4, ammonia at 0.25, 0 nitrite, and between 10-20 ppm of nitrate but probably closer to 20.

Thoughts?
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Old 10-06-2012, 01:52 AM   #8
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Are you using tap water or RO? I googled NYC water and it looks like GH is usually 4-5 according to google, which should be ok but might be worth checking. Otherwise not sure.

It also may be worth checking your KH, from the same sites it loks like NYC water usually has a KH of around 2 so pH of 6.4 would ballpark you around 25ppm CO2, decent but not pushing the envelope.

I would try to figure out the lighting and measure the GH. If all the easily measurable variables look good then start pushing the one that is much more difficult to measure, CO2, and assess for change in plant growth and fish behavior.

I may be missing something but that has been the one of the things I've picked up from some of the gurus. If all of the easily measurable stuff looks right and your lighting situation is appropriate the issue is probably the CO2 (though I wouldnt think this would affect the floaters).
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Old 10-06-2012, 02:10 AM   #9
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You do have a lot of light. You have a lot of GSA and this can be an indication of too much light. It also can be from too low phosphates.

I also see leaf tips turning down and this can be an indication of not dosing enough Micros which would be Flourish Comprehensive. I'd start double dosing.

Do you have any pinholes in leaves?

I'd also raise the light up if you can.

Light, CO2 and fertilizers have to be balanced.
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Old 10-06-2012, 02:38 AM   #10
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Are you using tap water or RO? I googled NYC water and it looks like GH is usually 4-5 according to google, which should be ok but might be worth checking. Otherwise not sure.

It also may be worth checking your KH, from the same sites it loks like NYC water usually has a KH of around 2 so pH of 6.4 would ballpark you around 25ppm CO2, decent but not pushing the envelope.

To chime in, out of the tap, NYC tap water usually has 2 dGH, 2 dKH, and 7.2 PH.
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To chime in, out of the tap, NYC tap water usually has 2 dGH, 2 dKH, and 7.2 PH.

In Brooklyn, the water is too damn soft. 0 GH and KH. 2ppm of phosphate. I have to add Seachem Equilibrium every time I do a water change.
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You have too much light. 4 23w CFL light in a 25g. Try to reduce to 2 bulbs here. Keep your CO2 drop checker to yellowish by mid day of the light cycle. Continue your EI dosing per 20g to 40g regiment. 5ml of N and K? Too little fert, assuming you are mixing 2 tablespoons of N or K into a 500l of water. 5ml of N would only give you approximately 3 to 4 ppm of N.
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In Brooklyn, the water is too damn soft. 0 GH and KH. 2ppm of phosphate. I have to add Seachem Equilibrium every time I do a water change.
Geez. That's like RO with just phosphate.
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In Brooklyn, the water is too damn soft. 0 GH and KH. 2ppm of phosphate. I have to add Seachem Equilibrium every time I do a water change.

that's actually what i was expecting to find when I googled. I remember people talking about the water an saying it was ridiculously soft, but something about adding phosphates to cut down on pipe corrosion or something.
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Old 10-07-2012, 11:41 AM   #15
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Tetra - where are you in brooklyn? I will try to find out my tap's parameters. I am dosing with Seachem - not with dry fertz. You sure two bulbs is not too little? I will try that though.
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