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Old 06-24-2012, 12:34 AM   #1
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10 serpae tetra in 10G?


Along with approx 25 amano shrimp?

here's a picture, please excuse the gravel, I'll be rescaping it with PFS and some wood soon and ditching the alligator skull lol this is actually one of my first aquascapes, it's bad.

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Old 06-24-2012, 12:39 AM   #2
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You are incredibly overstocked. Serpaes get rather large and are extremely active fish. I don't give a rat's crap about what other people will say how "oh nooooo it's planted it can be stocked more" or "with proper filtration anything is possible." I'm also going to get thoughts about how I shouldn't get my panties in such a twist over this but seriously. Use some judgement in stocking. If anything, planted tanks should be stocked on the lighter side since a good percentage of the tank space is filled with plant and decor, providing even LESS open swimming space. Not to sound like a pompous jerk but I suggest that you choose a more appropriate stock list.
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Don't worry. I like blunt opinions.

I don't have THAT much stuff in the tank though, they enjoy swimming through the fake skull and through the rocks.

I will be putting them all in a 40B though along with more fish.
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I'm with Jeffww:
10 Serpaes are WAY too much for a 10 gallon tank. The 25 shrimp alone are a reasonable stocking level. If you move all these (10 Serpaes and 25 Amanos) to a 40 there is not much room left for more fish.

Do not stock according to what you can make work with filters, pumps, lights and so on all working. Stock according to worst case scenario: What happens when the power fails? An overstocked tank will fail. There is no way (short of getting a generator) of keeping the conditions good in that tank. An understocked tank can be aerated by hand and other simple (non-power) things can be done to maintain heat, and the livestock and plants will make it though a power outage.
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Honestly, I dont think 10 Serpae's in a 10G is grossly overstocked. It may not be optimal, but if you have just the shrimp and the tetras, I'd say its fine.

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Honestly, I dont think 10 Serpae's in a 10G is grossly overstocked. It may not be optimal, but if you have just the shrimp and the tetras, I'd say its fine.

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I'll be the conceptual opposite of Jeffww right now and say that the tank is fine, though I might consider cutting down on the number of shrimp, just cause amano shrimp do get some size to them. I would maybe only at max have like, 10 of those as well.

I do see where Jeffww is coming from though, and I can totally see the benefits of keeping tanks understocked, it probably looks more interesting and definitely more natural. Since you want to move them to the 40B anyways, I guess you'll be free to do w/e with this tank if you so choose.
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I do 50 percent water changes once and sometimes twice a week. One thing is for sure. The fish are way happier in groups like this. They all stick together and out in the open now. Before they would hide.

And I'd be near my limits with the same fish and shrimp in a 40b? I call bs on that.

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Yeah you wouldn't be overstocked or close on a 40b.....
but amanos would just be a snack for serpaes....

Serpaes are just aggressive fish....reason for their close relativity to the piranha.
If the serpaes cant eat the amanos, they'll be harassed to the point of death.
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I don't think the stocking 100% outrageous, considering the minimal bioload from the shrimp. The choice of Serpaes doesn't work though. They are relatively large fish and very agressive/active.

10 neons or whatever would be more appropriate.
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I don't think the stocking 100% outrageous, considering the minimal bioload from the shrimp. The choice of Serpaes doesn't work though. They are relatively large fish and very agressive/active.

10 neons or whatever would be more appropriate.
Eh bioload from shrimp is minimal to say the least.....I don't think anything would be in danger of dying in a 40b....at least not from waste....from tetras....yes.
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25 Amanos in a 10 gallon? Really? Poor amanos to say the least. That many amanos would be okay for the 40B but a 10g.. I feel bad just having 6 of them in a super heavily planted 10G, and there is no fish just RCS. What will they eat? You would have to supplement their diet with a lot of algae wafers/flakes, therefore increasing the bioload even more. And amanos do poop a lot for being a shrimp.
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Yeah you wouldn't be overstocked or close on a 40b.....
but amanos would just be a snack for serpaes....

Serpaes are just aggressive fish....reason for their close relativity to the piranha.
If the serpaes cant eat the amanos, they'll be harassed to the point of death.
That's awesome! I actually didn't know this about serpaes though :x

But in light of Petco's sale, they'll be going in a 20L instead of a 40B which I think is perfect.
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Seems like a bit too much stocking for your tank, but I think you've already got that and have a contingency plan, so good for you if you follow through with it.
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