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Old 06-19-2012, 09:59 PM   #1
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Fish for an outdoors lotus bowl?


Whilst at Homegoods shopping for tacky lawn ornaments I stumbled across and amazing pot.
Around 3 feet wide and around a foot deep. A beautifully glazed wide shallow bowl.

Not only that but it was only $40. I decided to realize one of my goals with it and plant a single lotus in the center.
My plan is to fill the bottom half with MGOPS caped with pond soil and plant a lotus in the center. Fill it the rest of the way with water and add in some cascading marginals and floaters. I want the lotus to take over the pot.

But that still leaves me a fair amount of water on top.
Not alot but some.
Were really prone to mosquito in my yard because of a nearby lake. So I would really like to add in a few small fish to keep it under control.
I believe I'm on the edge or rambling. I'll wrap this up...

My worry is for the fish with a lack of equipment.
I'll have nothing but the wind to rely on for surface movement and we get alot of still hot days.
So I'm turning to you for fish suggestions.
Something that can survive those days. The heat. Is fairly small. Will do a good job of hunting down bugs. And preferably can be left out during winter (I live in SoCal).

I can bring the fish in for winter if its small enough.

Or maybe a suggestion for some equipment that would help but doesnt have wires.
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White cloud minnows might be a possibility, or maybe guppies. Both of them look nice from the top and have decent colors, small, can take heat, white clouds can handle cooler temps, and both will eat bugs.
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A betta might work well. How hot are we talking? Does it get at least part shade or can you provide a shaded area for the fish?
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A betta might work well. How hot are we talking? Does it get at least part shade or can you provide a shaded area for the fish?
Not terribly hot... Mid 80's at the most. Sometimes 90's - 100's but mainly 75 - 85..
The spot gets morning shade but not during the hot afternoon.

The bowl itself is going to be as shaded as possible by the lotus and marginals and floaters. But thats going to be the only thing giving it cover.


For some reason I hadnt thought of a betta... That would be pretty easy to house indoors too...
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White cloud minnows might be a possibility, or maybe guppies. Both of them look nice from the top and have decent colors, small, can take heat, white clouds can handle cooler temps, and both will eat bugs.
I thought of both of those but I'm not too sure that they will get enough oxygen..
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guppies at least can take warm water, they don't require much oxygen. Maybe while the lotus grows in, a couple strands of hornwort or anacharis as oxygenators and to help prevent green water
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Don't forget trumpet snails and nerites for substrate and detrius control.

Without some aeration or circulation things could get nasty for fish, but it is 3feet wide I guess.

I say 3-4 female gouramis or bettas for fish.
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I'm seeing 2gl a day evaporation in my Whiskey Barrel pond it's in the Sun to 2pm. Temps are 60-95 now.

You'll most likey se the same, Cold water top offs are helping keep mine cool.

I like the White Cloud and Betta suggestions for 'sletter control.
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guppies at least can take warm water, they don't require much oxygen. Maybe while the lotus grows in, a couple strands of hornwort or anacharis as oxygenators and to help prevent green water
I'm most likely buying an already established lotus from my local nursery. I was planningon adding those if there read enough room after planting everything.

I've been thinking and I really should get this thing set up completely and measure how many gallons of actual water there is before choosing a fish.
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Don't forget trumpet snails and nerites for substrate and detrius control.

Without some aeration or circulation things could get nasty for fish, but it is 3feet wide I guess.

I say 3-4 female gouramis or bettas for fish.
A cleanup crew is always a must. I love nerites.
I'm sort of banking on high plant plant mass and low fish load coupled with weekly water changes to keep it clean.
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I'm seeing 2gl a day evaporation in my Whiskey Barrel pond it's in the Sun to 2pm. Temps are 60-95 now.

You'll most likey se the same, Cold water top offs are helping keep mine cool.

I like the White Cloud and Betta suggestions for 'sletter control.
Im counting on it. I'm adding water to pretty much everything daily anyhow.

Though I don't want to commit to anything yet the idea of a betta does appeal to me I must admit. Maybe one of those King bettas from Petco or a dragon scale plakat.
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I think you might be happier if you plant the Lotus in a clay pot and put that into the planter. I'm doing that and it's much more user friendly..

I like the clay orchid pots. They are lower profile/wider. I cut a 3x3" pc of screen to cover the drain hole and use MTS/Sand CAP.



I think the Giant Dragon PK is a great idea!!! He'd be very Zen-like patrolling
Lotus leaves.

I would cover the surface with floaters until the Lotus leaves. are established that will help keep him calm and reduce the chance of him jumping. He should be able to handle the Mosquitoes if he can't, an air stone would be enough to help. They can't survive in water with suface movement.

Lookinh forward to seeing your efforts!!
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This has been my trick for a couple years. Really helps control temperatures of my container pond when outdoor temperatures soar into the low 100s with high humidity.

I've been keeping a gallon jug of RO/DI water in front of an air conditioning vent and using that water for top-offs and it seems to do the trick.

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Old 06-20-2012, 01:07 PM   #14
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I think you might be happier if you plant the Lotus in a clay pot and put that into the planter. I'm doing that and it's much more user friendly..

I like the clay orchid pots. They are lower profile/wider. I cut a 3x3" pc of screen to cover the drain hole and use MTS/Sand CAP.


I think the Giant Dragon PK is a great idea!!! He'd be very Zen-like patrolling
Lotus leaves.

I would cover the surface with floaters until the Lotus leaves. are established that will help keep him calm and reduce the chance of him jumping. He should be able to handle the Mosquitoes if he can't, an air stone would be enough to help. They can't survive in water with suface movement.

Lookinh forward to seeing your efforts!!
I didn't know they made orchid pots that big.
Where would you suggest looking for one?


I hesitate to ask but.. Are you referring to a red tiger lotus or nelumbo lotus?
Because from my reseach they require at least a 12" deep and 24" wide pot.

I get confused easily as you can probably tell.
A plakat dragon giant betta does seem very zen to me too.
Can't wait to get this set up and see what Petco has in store for me.

I plan on stuffing this thing with water velvet, marginals, water lettuce, frogbit, and whatever other floater I can get my hands on.


Its funny instructions always tell you to never plant your lilies in potting soil and that exactly what all my plants are potted in. They love it lol..
I can't wait to see my efforts either.
I'm off today to see whether or not one of the two garden centers near me with a pond section can order me a lotus so late in the season.
I'm hoping for a dwarf or semi dwarf variety.
If the lotus is small enough I might stick a helvola lily in there later on in the season.

Though I have to say. My memory of the pot in the store is bigger than when it got home. Its a fair bit smaller than my brain made it seem.
I'll post a picture of it when the sun rises.
Maybe you guys can help me plan it out a little more thoroughly.
Be nice to have a project work from the start for once.

I did measure how many gallons its holds without plants or substrate and it came out to around 22.5
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This has been my trick for a couple years. Really helps control temperatures of my container pond when outdoor temperatures soar into the low 100s with high humidity.

I've been keeping a gallon jug of RO/DI water in front of an air conditioning vent and using that water for top-offs and it seems to do the trick.
If only if only I had an AC.. But alas I do not.
However our tap does come out very cold as our pipes run deep into a hill by my house.
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