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Old 11-17-2014, 04:40 AM   #1
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Hi gang!

Looking for ideas here. I attached a picture of what I want my scape to be, I've used Eco-Complete in the past, and I like it, however, it was VERY hard to make a slope. Has anyone made an attempt with EC, or should I try something else? Thanks in ADVANCE for the ideas/input.
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Old 11-17-2014, 05:43 AM   #2
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Is that a side diagram?
If it's a front diagram, that looks bad.
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Old 11-17-2014, 01:18 PM   #3
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I'd want it to be the front, I'd think the slope adds effect on it, I've seen some tanks that are similar. Why is it bad? Maybe cap the lower portion with sand.
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I don't think it is bad, you do whatever you want and I'm sure once planted and scaped you can make it look good. I did a similarly drastic slope in my tank, but it was to the back-right corner instead, and I also used eco complete. The tank has been set up for a couple of months and the slope is still intact. I used rocks to help keep the slope in place, and also planted a lot of crypts along the base/slope of the hill in hope that the roots will also help keep the slope in place.
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I don't think it is bad, you do whatever you want and I'm sure once planted and scaped you can make it look good. I did a similarly drastic slope in my tank, but it was to the back-right corner instead, and I also used eco complete. The tank has been set up for a couple of months and the slope is still intact. I used rocks to help keep the slope in place, and also planted a lot of crypts along the base/slope of the hill in hope that the roots will also help keep the slope in place.
Mind showing some pictures? I'd love to see it, I tried to do a semi-slope with my 20g then I gave up because I could not keep the slope.
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Old 11-17-2014, 03:10 PM   #6
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Here is what I did....



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I think a side slope like that could turn out really cool. I've seen people do it with great effect, although their slopes were a bit more dramatic. Sorry, no help here on how to stabilize Eco Complete.
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I have always made drastic slopes in my tanks, hard part is keeping them up (really hard with sand then I have cories too). Only thing that has worked for me is to use rocks as a "guard" (I can't think of the word I am looking for). Comes out looking really nice, wish I has a descent camera and could see into my scaped 10g to take a pitcher lol.
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I use rock work & carpet plants to maintain substrate slopes. The other part of the equation is no diggers. Cichlids and bottom shifters will alter your scape and possibly change and or destroy your slope(s).



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Having a shape other than straight alters the frame of the picture. This causes the eye to focus on it unnecessarily. If, however, all sides of the frame were undulated, it wouldn't be as big of an issue because each undulated side balances out the opposite side. With only one (the bottom) it's an eyesore.
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Having a shape other than straight alters the frame of the picture. This causes the eye to focus on it unnecessarily. If, however, all sides of the frame were undulated, it wouldn't be as big of an issue because each undulated side balances out the opposite side. With only one (the bottom) it's an eyesore.

Totally disagree. The tank itself is the "frame". I take a block of what I interpret as a natural scene with all it's undulations and try to develop and maintain those valleys and rises. The dips and elevations in front help accentuate these features. Definitely not an eyesore. The foreground needs some love too!


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I got more ideas from you guys. Thanks.
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Totally disagree. The the tank itself is the "frame". I take a block of what I interpret as a natural scene with all it's undulations and try to develop and maintain those valleys and rises. The dips and elevations in front help accentuate these features. Definitely not an eyesore. The foreground needs some love too!


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The tank is not the frame but the box that forms part of the frame. The substrate forms the bottom of that frame and it must be straight.

If you look at it long enough, you'll eventually see that it is a problem. If you don't look, you won't see.
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The tank is not the frame but the box that forms part of the frame. The substrate forms the bottom of that frame and it must be straight.

If you look at it long enough, you'll eventually see that it is a problem. If you don't look, you won't see.
I disagree as well. If you have a rimless tank what is the top of the frame? There is no rule that the substrate line "must be straight". A natural looking scape will have irregular lines, just as nature has irregular lines.

Bottom line is that you should do what makes you happy. Everyone's opinion is just that, an opinion. With your tank, your own opinion is really all that matters. While it's nice to get compliments, don't put too much weight on them or the criticisms. Do what you like.
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Raith,

To answer your question, I also used a sand substrate and couldn't figure out how to keep it sloped. I visited my local hardware store to price out PVC or vinyl as it is fish safe and inexpensive. I recently learned from experience that it is less expensive than sand substrate and offers the capability of adding height to the aquascape without the weight of substrate or the extreme buoyancy of polystyrene (foam). PVC and vinyl both are just barely buoyant enough to float.

PVC pipes are no more than $5 for a 10' pipe (you will want varying diameters of these)
Unpainted vinyl gutters are about $8 for a 10' section

Unpainted vinyl gutters modified can help if you shape a sort of "stair case".
PVC piping also functions in the same manner with less of a dramatic edge. Using PVC piping of varying diameters, you can fashion a type of "slope" by putting the larger diametered pipes on the side of the highest intended part of the slope and working your way to the lowest end of the slope with progressively smaller diametered PVC pipes.

A lesson I learned regarding "keeping substrate on the structure" was to add a pipe of slightly larger diameter as the last pipe intended to go at the lowest part of the slope. This is what was going to help me keep my substrate on the slope from sliding down. i.e. if the last pipe (at the lowest part) of my slope is 1", add another pipe of 1.5" or 2" diameter next to it to function as a sort of "lip".
Don't forget to cap your pipes so you aren't losing lots of your substrate inside the pipes.

I just finished a project with this build, and while I used lava rock as my substrate (for other reasons), sand can be used just the same.
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