Noisy Eheim 2213

prinmel · 06-12-2012, 01:37 AM

I have not used my eheim for a while because it was being noisy and I figured it was broken. Well I looked at it again because I wanted to get rid of the backpacks that I have. So upon inspection, the porcelain shaft was broken in the impeller. I replaced that and it is still making the noise! I can get it flowing but, it seems like it should be more forceful? I don't know if it is air in the canister or what but, its driving me nuts that I can't get it to be quiet. Could it really be shot, Its really old, I got it used about 7 years ago...

**jreich** · 06-12-2012, 01:51 AM

Output on the filter on thrle hose side clogged?

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prinmel · 06-12-2012, 02:12 AM

no, don't see anything.. could that be causing the noise?

**jreich** · 06-12-2012, 02:21 AM

Maybe, or a restriction on the intake, or a bad oring is letting air in, check all the orings and lube them lightly with vasoline.

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deeda · 06-12-2012, 03:31 AM

Check to see how the impeller slides on the new shaft, if there is a lot of play in it, the impeller may be worn on the inside and will need to be replaced.

The only other cause may be improper priming of the the filter and it still has air trapped inside the canister.

prinmel · 06-12-2012, 04:55 AM

The impeller seems fine on the inside.. it is a little worn on the outside but I am not sure its bad enough to make the noise. I can feel whatever the noise is when I put my hand on the top, If that makes sense. What is the best way to prime? I have tried many ways but open for more, I really want to make this filter work, it would be so expensive to replace! I also went over all connections checked all line for obstruction and checked seals.. all looks good. It's got to be air in canister.. I think?

dbosman@msu.edu · 06-12-2012, 05:25 PM

Noise from a canister is almost always trapped air. When it isn't, its impeller issues. There aren't that many parts. ;-)
Slower flow is usually a kinked hose, trapped air or gunk in the hoses.

PlantedRich · 06-12-2012, 05:34 PM

When you replaced the shaft, did you replace the impeller also? IME when the shaft has broken, the inner surface of the impeller has also been rounded out into an oval so that it needs replacement as well. Kind of putting a round pin in a square hole otherwise.
For any air that gets hung in the canister, I just tip the canister about 15 degrees and rotate it so that any air will go up and out the outlet. The tubing does have to be installed correctly so that there are no droops in the line.

talontsiawd · 06-12-2012, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by PlantedRich

When you replaced the shaft, did you replace the impeller also? IME when the shaft has broken, the inner surface of the impeller has also been rounded out into an oval so that it needs replacement as well. Kind of putting a round pin in a square hole otherwise.
For any air that gets hung in the canister, I just tip the canister about 15 degrees and rotate it so that any air will go up and out the outlet. The tubing does have to be installed correctly so that there are no droops in the line.

I was going to say the same thing. I have had quite a few issues with my 2215. I bought it thinking it was new, with a broken impeller shaft. Everyone told me it was air in the filter so I ran it for 3-4 months like that (first canister, didn't know anything about them at that point). I finally figured out the impeller shaft was snapped, bought a new one. It quieted it down for about 6 months and slowly got louder over the next year. About 6 months ago, I noticed that the impeller had been rounded quite badly around the area at the bottom where the shaft went into. Once I replaced both the impeller and the shaft, it's been super quiet ever since.

It was actually pretty surprising how little flow difference a broken impeller shaft made on my filter, which made the problem so much harder to solve. Then, I am guessing I did enough damage to ruin the impeller in the mean time.

My point is to check the impeller. You may have damaged it. I tried to lube mine in hopes of fixing it when it wasn't too bad and it still continued to wear further until it got as loud as it was with a broken impeller shaft with an intact one. Not saying that it is for sure the issue, just saying that it's happened to me.

**jreich** · 06-12-2012, 07:44 PM

U wont have to replace the filter, dont worry ur self. Its gota b something simple, its not that complicated of a filter.
Can u stick a finger inside where the impelar sits? Can u c in there with a flash light? Is it smooth and clean?
Grab a metal coat hanger or piece or wire or something and poke into the output in the pump head. Do this on both sides, the inside the filter part, and the outside the filter where hose connects (mine was really plugged up there tooke me for ever to figure it out.
Next the elbow at the bottom of the filter,.run that wire thru there. Do the same on the quick disconects while ur at it.
Lube the o ring that is on the elbow, and the red gasket for the pump head.make sure u dont have old gungked up floss in the filter restricting flow, if u have a pre filter clean it. Hook up the intake but not the output. Suck on output to prime. Run filter into a bucked with out the output not hooked up. If its still running slow do u have a kinked hose? Finally put the output back on and if all else fails but a new impellar assembly.
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In.a.Box · 06-12-2012, 08:28 PM

so many Eheim problem now and days.

applekrate · 06-12-2012, 09:09 PM

Ck all the above suggestions and if you discover its a priming problem....... I found post #2 at this link to be helpful about priming:

http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/eq...im-2215-a.html

I have a 2217 and sometimes when I did not get it primed right it made a swishing noise. If everything is right I can not hear it run.

**jreich** · 06-12-2012, 09:15 PM

I used to turn my 2213 up side down while running when i got air traped in it.

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prinmel · 06-13-2012, 01:07 AM

Thank you all for your help! I will order a new impeller and see if that works. I am going to give it a good cleaning as well. I did a lot of shaking it around to get trapped air out and it still made the noise, so must be impeller.

**jreich** · 06-13-2012, 01:35 AM

Good luck.

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06-12-2012, 01:37 AM	#1
prinmel Algae Grower (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0/0%) Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: wa Posts: 29	Noisy Eheim 2213 I have not used my eheim for a while because it was being noisy and I figured it was broken. Well I looked at it again because I wanted to get rid of the backpacks that I have. So upon inspection, the porcelain shaft was broken in the impeller. I replaced that and it is still making the noise! I can get it flowing but, it seems like it should be more forceful? I don't know if it is air in the canister or what but, its driving me nuts that I can't get it to be quiet. Could it really be shot, Its really old, I got it used about 7 years ago...

06-12-2012, 03:31 AM	#5
deeda Planted Tank Enthusiast (View User Tanks) PTrader: (2/100%) Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Medina, Ohio Posts: 715	Check to see how the impeller slides on the new shaft, if there is a lot of play in it, the impeller may be worn on the inside and will need to be replaced. The only other cause may be improper priming of the the filter and it still has air trapped inside the canister. __________________ Dee __________________ Eheim Pimpette #270 Eheim Pro II 2028; Classics Series -2215, 2217, 2260, 2262; Pro 2229 Wet/Dry

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06-12-2012, 01:51 AM	#2
jreich Planted Tank Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (3/100%) Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: philadelphia Posts: 2,940	Output on the filter on thrle hose side clogged? Sent from my HTC Inspire 4G using Tapatalk 2

06-12-2012, 02:12 AM	#3
prinmel Algae Grower (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0/0%) Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: wa Posts: 29	no, don't see anything.. could that be causing the noise?

06-12-2012, 02:21 AM	#4
jreich Planted Tank Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (3/100%) Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: philadelphia Posts: 2,940	Maybe, or a restriction on the intake, or a bad oring is letting air in, check all the orings and lube them lightly with vasoline. Sent from my HTC Inspire 4G using Tapatalk 2

06-12-2012, 04:55 AM	#6
prinmel Algae Grower (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0/0%) Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: wa Posts: 29	The impeller seems fine on the inside.. it is a little worn on the outside but I am not sure its bad enough to make the noise. I can feel whatever the noise is when I put my hand on the top, If that makes sense. What is the best way to prime? I have tried many ways but open for more, I really want to make this filter work, it would be so expensive to replace! I also went over all connections checked all line for obstruction and checked seals.. all looks good. It's got to be air in canister.. I think?

06-12-2012, 05:25 PM	#7
dbosman@msu.edu Planted Tank Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (16/100%) Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: East Lansing, MI, USA Posts: 2,710	Noise from a canister is almost always trapped air. When it isn't, its impeller issues. There aren't that many parts. ;-) Slower flow is usually a kinked hose, trapped air or gunk in the hoses.

06-12-2012, 05:34 PM	#8
PlantedRich Wannabe Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0/0%) Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Pflugerville, Tx Posts: 1,513	When you replaced the shaft, did you replace the impeller also? IME when the shaft has broken, the inner surface of the impeller has also been rounded out into an oval so that it needs replacement as well. Kind of putting a round pin in a square hole otherwise. For any air that gets hung in the canister, I just tip the canister about 15 degrees and rotate it so that any air will go up and out the outlet. The tubing does have to be installed correctly so that there are no droops in the line.

06-12-2012, 07:44 PM	#10
jreich Planted Tank Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (3/100%) Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: philadelphia Posts: 2,940	U wont have to replace the filter, dont worry ur self. Its gota b something simple, its not that complicated of a filter. Can u stick a finger inside where the impelar sits? Can u c in there with a flash light? Is it smooth and clean? Grab a metal coat hanger or piece or wire or something and poke into the output in the pump head. Do this on both sides, the inside the filter part, and the outside the filter where hose connects (mine was really plugged up there tooke me for ever to figure it out. Next the elbow at the bottom of the filter,.run that wire thru there. Do the same on the quick disconects while ur at it. Lube the o ring that is on the elbow, and the red gasket for the pump head.make sure u dont have old gungked up floss in the filter restricting flow, if u have a pre filter clean it. Hook up the intake but not the output. Suck on output to prime. Run filter into a bucked with out the output not hooked up. If its still running slow do u have a kinked hose? Finally put the output back on and if all else fails but a new impellar assembly. Sent from my HTC Inspire 4G using Tapatalk 2

06-12-2012, 08:28 PM	#11
In.a.Box Wannabe Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (9/100%) Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: New England Posts: 1,119	so many Eheim problem now and days.

06-12-2012, 09:09 PM	#12
applekrate Algae Grower (View User Tanks) PTrader: (2/100%) Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: USA Posts: 15	Ck all the above suggestions and if you discover its a priming problem....... I found post #2 at this link to be helpful about priming: http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/eq...im-2215-a.html I have a 2217 and sometimes when I did not get it primed right it made a swishing noise. If everything is right I can not hear it run.

06-12-2012, 09:15 PM	#13
jreich Planted Tank Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (3/100%) Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: philadelphia Posts: 2,940	I used to turn my 2213 up side down while running when i got air traped in it. Sent from my HTC Inspire 4G using Tapatalk 2

06-13-2012, 01:07 AM	#14
prinmel Algae Grower (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0/0%) Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: wa Posts: 29	Thank you all for your help! I will order a new impeller and see if that works. I am going to give it a good cleaning as well. I did a lot of shaking it around to get trapped air out and it still made the noise, so must be impeller.

06-13-2012, 01:35 AM	#15
jreich Planted Tank Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (3/100%) Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: philadelphia Posts: 2,940	Good luck. Sent from my HTC Inspire 4G using Tapatalk 2