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Old 07-03-2003, 09:15 AM   #1
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Hi there,

got a real curly one here. Recently my filters (two Eheim 2026 pro2) have started to dispense millions of tiny bubbles. I have had this before but it was after a clean and it only did this for about two hours. This however, is happening every two to three minutes.

Initially I thought it might be that I had two spray bars operating at once. Thinking that the spraybars were providing an excess of O2 in the tank, considering that my plants are pearling like mad all day. So I took the spray bars off and I still got the same thing. I have less turbulence and still the same thing happening.

So today while I was out doing some running around for my business I slipped into the LFS and ran this by them. These guys really know their stuff particularly on Eheim, they are the biggest stockist in South Australia and between all of them there is about a two hundred years of experience, and they really care.

They told me to try changing the O rings on the inlets and give the main Seal ring a clean and lube. I have done this and surprise, surprise I still have the same problem. The LFS thought that it could also be the pump head main O ring which would be a warranttee issue and the heads would have to go back to Sydney to be fixed.

Does anyone have any ideas why this would be happening? Could it be excess O2, Excess CO2 or just a leak in the seals of my filters?

BTW PH set at 6.9 and KH at 5dch

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Old 07-03-2003, 03:25 PM   #2
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Hey, I am having the same problem. I think it is caused by the water being saturated with O2, sucked into the filter, put under pressure, and the O2 pearls out.

You don't mention it, but this happens to me every afternoon, like around 2 pm it starts. Also every 5 minutes or so a bunch of bubbles is spit out through the spray bar.

I don't know if this has any adverse effects... looks weird, I am not sure what the fishies think about their bubble bath, and the filter ends up making blubbering noises.

No idea what to do about it though... perhaps reduce the inlet size, so the water is under less pressure in the pump?

I though I was the only one with this problem :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Old 07-03-2003, 10:56 PM   #3
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I really can't understand how your water is saturated with oxygen when you are using a DIY CO2 set up and only 1.6 WPG?? You must have a real magical touch! DIY CO2 setups usually become non productive in aquariums over 40G, and you've got it rolling on a 100G. You really must pass on your secret to the rest of the board! You will be able to save us an awful lot of money in the future.

As for Rumple's Eheim, there has got to be air leaking into your system somehow. How, I don't know. I would follow the advice of your LFS, since they seem to have the experience. I believe there has already been a thread on this. Do a search.
My 2126, same as the 2026 can be a bit tricky at times. You must be certain that the "tubes" in the baskets are all well aligned, and well seated in the powerhead portion of the filter. If it is not assembled exactly, the Eheim will throw some bubbles.
Take it apart and put it back together, slowly and carefully. That may solve your problem.

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Old 07-03-2003, 11:16 PM   #4
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Well, I can't back this with any scientific facts... I can only go by my observations. I do have a lot of plants in there by now, some of them do pearl, the fine bubbles don't dissolve so it is not CO2, in the morning they don't appear, etc.

Maybe it all depends... If you bombard your tank with 4 W/gal, perhaps the plants eat up the avail CO2 that much quicker, so you NEED pressurized CO2 to keep the level up to some optimum number that someone came up with.

With lower light levels (but using decent reflectors at least) plants grow slower, use less CO2, and the 100% dissolved CO2 from two soda bottles (and no surface agitation) could be sufficient even for a bigger tank.

I don't have a CO2 measurement kit. So I don't know what ppm CO2 the water has, one day I will buy that test kit and be surprised why my plants grow at all :mrgreen:

I'd be interested if Rumples pump does the same fine bubbles in the morning...
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Old 07-04-2003, 03:54 AM   #5
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Just test your pH and kH and then use the chart to see what your CO2 levels are. Or let us know and we will give you the answer. I would be interested in knowing what CO2 levels you are obtaining.
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Old 07-04-2003, 06:54 AM   #6
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To be honest, I think the tank and filters do more of this during the afternoon and night, after one hour of the lights going off I can't hear the swoosh of bubbles. I have already done what the LFS said to do and this is still happening. I will try the alignment idea, but have to say that in twenty years of fish keeping this has never happened before, now with a fully planted tank I get the problem. :?

Anyway I will let you all know.

Incidently I did use the CO2 calculator and I have 22ppm of CO2 in my tank. No wonder my plants are constantly pearling.

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News flash; just saw my filter doing the fine bubble thing at 10 am, 1 hour after light came on.
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Darn... there goes my theory :?

No, mine starts every day at 1 pm, reaches it's max around 3, and slows down and stops when the lights go out.
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Old 07-07-2003, 05:07 AM   #9
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If it is truly an air leak it would have to be on the intake side of the pump (because on the output side water would be shooting out due to the pressure) the best way to check for this type of leak is to make sure your tubing is dry then shut down your filter and watch if it is truly in the tubing you will begin to see drops forming. If it is a leak anyway......a little tid bit from my days as a pool service man
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