Which is less aggressive kribensis or apisto?

[shrimpNewbie]

I may be setting up a tank under my new setup for just my Betta or fry, so I might be interested in a cichlid as a display, however I have bnp that breed and a lot of tetras, wondering which I should go with, specific specias with pics would be awesome, looking for easy breeders too

[Complexity]

Pelvicachromis (Kribensis) are good with other fish. They can become aggressive while breeding and protecting their young; however, most of the aggression is basically charging after fish to make them go away and not anything that causes injury.

However, they can be highly aggressive towards each other and can kill each other. Adult pelvicachromis are selective in choosing their mates and usually stay with the same mate, forcing all others to leave the territory. Sometimes an adult will beat up or kill their mate after mating, but this seems to be more of a protective instinct to the young than aggression against the mate.

Not all Pelvicachromis exhibit the same amount of aggression. It seems they have different personalities just like people. I have one pair with a male that was so aggressive I had to remove the female once the fry became free swimming. The male raised the fry by himself. I have another pair that breeds and breeds and breeds, but they are both so peaceful, their fry are constantly eaten by other fish. Neither the male or female are aggressive towards each other, other Pelvicachromis in the tank, or any other fish. So the fry just keep getting eaten.

The best success in getting a compatible pair or in having more than one pelvicachromis in the tank is to get a group of them as juveniles and let them grow up together in the tank. While the may become aggressive against each other at some point, there is a much higher chance they'll accept each other in the tank even as adults. I currently have 8 Pelvicachromis young adult males temporarily housed in a 10g tank which is pretty much unheard of, but it's because they all grew up together.

Pelvicachromis are my most favorite fish of all. Their breeding courtship, breeding dance, actual breeding, guarding of the eggs, care of the fry, and just overall interaction is so wonderful to watch. Their colors are fantastic, as well, especially when they color up for breeding.

[5BodyBlade]

I have had kribs, apisto cacatuoides and agassizzii. By far the kribs were the most aggressive in my experience. None ever bred so it was just normal aggression. They are all gorgeous though.

[shrimpNewbie]

I may buy a proven and bonded pair of kribensis unless I find an apisto that looks better which isn likely, thanks

[shrimpNewbie]

Also for tank size, 30x30x24 is the plan I'm going to buy the acrylic today, hopefully enough space for all the breeding fish lol

[Complexity]

Originally Posted by shrimpNewbie

I may buy a proven and bonded pair of kribensis unless I find an apisto that looks better which isn likely, thanks

If you can get a pair that's already bonded, that would be great.

Be sure to put caves in the tank. I have found that my pelvicachromis like the Fluval ceramic shrimp caves very much, and they look good in a planted tank.

http://www.amazon.com/Fluval-Ceramic...&keywords=cave

[rainbuilder]

Originally Posted by shrimpNewbie

I may buy a proven and bonded pair of kribensis unless I find an apisto that looks better which isn likely, thanks

Don't be so quick to judge apistogrammas. In my opinion, a double red apistogramma cacatuoides beats a krib in looks no contest. There are many species of beautiful apistogrammas. They are also often harem breeders, so they can produce a larger amount of fry at any one given time. However, kribs are quite beautiful and there are several kinds that each look really nice. I have personally not owned either (except for a blue ram, but is technically not an apisto) but I am hoping to get a harem of apistogramma cacatuoides very soon. Blue rams are also a good choice, they are full of personality and are also very beautiful.

But to answer your original question, it depends on the personality of the fish but apistogramma are generally more peaceful from what I know.

[Complexity]

Originally Posted by rainbuilder

Don't be so quick to judge apistogrammas. In my opinion, a double red apistogramma cacatuoides beats a krib in looks no contest

I think this is where the phrase "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" can be applied. I've had a double red apistogramma cacatuoides and while it's a pretty fish, it just doesn't do the same thing for me as a pelvicachromis. They are definitely fancy and flashy looking fish, but I think for me, I'm drawn to the changes in colors of the pelvicachromis during courtship and breeding. Their colors aren't just painted on. They change; they're dynamic.

I don't expect everyone to see pelvicachromis the same way I do, of course, but am merely pointing out that what's beautiful to one person may not always be the same to another and sometimes we're drawn to different aspects of beauty.

[shrimpNewbie]

I love kribensis, apistos just don't do it for me, I like blues though, I also like dwarf flag cichlids but they are really timid

[LB79]

I believe the apistos are less aggressive as a rule, but it does depend a lot on the individual fish.

[Gsneufeld]

The rule of thumb is that Africans are more aggressive than South Americans. That is a total generalization though. Personally, I would skip both of them, and go for the Keyhole cichlids. I have one Juvie now, and while (she I think) doesn't have the flashy colours of some of the more popular dwarves, the subtle tones of yellow, purple, and blue take my breath away every time I walk by the tank, I just stop and stare for a few minutes.
Plus, violent behaviour, even when brooding is practically unheard of. Like the other acaras, they're among the best parents of all cichlids, and fry-care is very extensive and long lasting.

[kalawai2000]

I have had Kribs and currently have one male left. They are very aggressive when breeding.
I would be leery in having a community setting with a pair..
But Keyhole Cichlids I vote for.. a perfect choice

[shrimpNewbie]

The tank will be massive and even when breeding it should be fine hopefully, the plucks will hold their own the tetras I'm kind of worried about, the Betta will probably go in the grow out tank in the stand, which will also be scaped. I'm hoping I can find some good kribensis, I also love blue acaras, though they can eat my rumys

[blink]

I don't really have any experience with kribs or apistos so I can't comment on suitability but the apistogramma hongsloi are stunning IMO
http://www.aquariumphoto.dk/apistogr...ongsloi2_x.jpg

I've got a Bolivian ram in my community tank with my white clouds and celestial pearl danios and he's just as peaceful as they are.

[shrimpNewbie]

That apisto is beautiful, ill be doing some research on them, never heard or seen them becore