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Old 05-05-2015, 05:26 PM   #1
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What i did last weekend


I found out my wife was leaving town with her sister for a long weekend so I figured she can't say no if she gets home and its done already.
So I went ahead and ordered everything I would need and hid it away until I was ready. Friday the digging began, Saturday the double layered billboard liner($125 shipped) was laid. Sunday I got stone and the washing commenced. Still have some more work to go.
Plants currently include:
various canna lillies
pickerel rush
dwarf umbrella
cardinal plant
locally collected rush
locally collect hornwort
creeping jenny
calla lillies
various host as
inpatients
obedient plant
giant elephant ear
day lillies
still looking for some taller grasses
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Nice job! Damn, that's a lot of work in a few days! I commend you!
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Old 05-05-2015, 07:43 PM   #3
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Deviously well done!

Every time I upgrade the fish room, I wait until I know she won't be around. It's an old trick, but effective.
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Old 05-05-2015, 08:15 PM   #4
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Nice job! Damn, that's a lot of work in a few days! I commend you!
Thanks. My little helper was at my side the whole time. This pic was Monday morning. Still had to create the cascade from the upstream section to the pond section. Finished that all this morning. Still have a lot of work to do with gravel and plant placement.
Bushkill, i thought like this, if she wants it taken down, that takes away from time of finishing the bathroom and the basement, which she wants done desperately. It will have some time to grow on her.

Question, how do you fertilize your plants? My water hyacinth has completely melted and I don't want to lose anything else. I have been dumping osmocote plus tabs in each planter but what about floating plants or mosses?
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Old 05-06-2015, 05:12 PM   #5
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Well, the wife came home, and wasn't pleased. After about an hour she cooled down enough to talk. Turns out she knew I was up to something, but not this.
After showing her all the lilies and how little it actually cost this morning she calmed down and admitted that it was nice, but I was still in the doghouse.
Total cost
Liner-$138 shipped
Plants- about $75
Stone-$100(about 2.5 tons of river gravel)
1800gph pump-$35
Prefilter-$10
Plumbing-$20
2000gph Waterfall weir-$26 shipped
Plant baskets-$12
Pool filter sand-$10
Total-$426
The waterfall box filters water through pool filter sand with a void at the bottom where the water comes in and stones on top to keep the sand in. If I ever stop disturbing the water it may clear up completely.
Current fish include 2 baby koi and about 10 minnows. The koi will come in during the winter time to a pool in the basement.
The pond is 36" deep but after stone and gravel the deepest accessible spot is about 25".
Netting is my next project.
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Old 05-06-2015, 05:18 PM   #6
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The cold night temperature might have melted you water hyacinth. Temps are warmer now and they should be fine.

Don't expect many plants surviving the grown koi.

It must be nice to dig easily. I have nothing but large rocks a foot down.
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The cold night temperature might have melted you water hyacinth. Temps are warmer now and they should be fine.

Don't expect many plants surviving the grown koi.

It must be nice to dig easily. I have nothing but large rocks a foot down.
Thanks. That makes sense about the cold. I have 1 that did survive and has begun to spit already.
All plants in the pond are in planters with the lips out of water. Roots that grow out of the planter are up for grabs I guess. A majority of the plants are either upstream which is inaccessible to the koi or in planters.
It wasn't bad digging. This part of my yard had been backfilled in the past. My town was all swampland being right next to the Delaware. So a lot of smaller stones but nothing a little alcohol and sweat couldn't handle.
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in addition to the cold, I saw a pump and waterfall weir among the list of equipment all of which cause surface agitation I would expect- water hyacinth can't stand surface agitation like most surface floaters and quickly rots with water movement. You need an area with no surface movement for proper floater growth. Of course, the cold could have been a contributing factor or the sole cause. Just food for thought...
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Old 05-07-2015, 05:25 PM   #9
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in addition to the cold, I saw a pump and waterfall weir among the list of equipment all of which cause surface agitation I would expect- water hyacinth can't stand surface agitation like most surface floaters and quickly rots with water movement. You need an area with no surface movement for proper floater growth. Of course, the cold could have been a contributing factor or the sole cause. Just food for thought...
Hmm. Didn't think of that either. The weir is upstream and the cascade into the pond is minimal.

So I lost a koi. Figure either one of the many stray cats in the neighborhood or a heron, just two days in. Soo, ran out to Home Depot today and got bird netting and picked up two more koi. I will wait to figure out the sexes and find a home for the odd man(or woman) out. I don't really want babies. I want the pond under stocked and low maintenance as possible, as in natural filtration using lots of plants. Also picked up a bunch of peppermint plants to help repel bugs and placed two water lilies in buckets in the shallow end of the pool to provide a little more shade.
Here is a shot of the two new additions enjoying the shade. You can see a lot of the minnows to the left.
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Old 05-07-2015, 06:46 PM   #10
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Regarding your looking for floating plant food, they're usually okay without, and once temps really warm up, I doubt you'll have a problem with that hyacinth. However, I do have a "floating plant" fert that is basically just potassium. Npk is 0 - 0 - 10.
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Old 05-07-2015, 08:11 PM   #11
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Regarding your looking for floating plant food, they're usually okay without, and once temps really warm up, I doubt you'll have a problem with that hyacinth. However, I do have a "floating plant" fert that is basically just potassium. Npk is 0 - 0 - 10.
Do you mind if I pick your canna brain?
I bought some various cannas and upon receipt a few of the leaves melted(they were kept inside until temps warmer up but a few had already started to send up leaves), well a few of the leaves have melted which I cut off when they got mushy. Now the rhizome has a few new nubs on it. Are these new stems or new rhizomes budding off? Thanks!
I have about 6 lbs of k2so4 which I have been dry dosing about a tablespoon every few days.
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Old 05-13-2015, 02:03 AM   #12
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Hey, sorry for delay. Very busy here. I'm not sure without seein a picture, but it really could be either. The rhizomes can multiply pretty fast if they're happy. After a few days, are they growing up, or are they moving horizontally?
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Old 05-16-2015, 12:21 AM   #13
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Hey, sorry for delay. Very busy here. I'm not sure without seein a picture, but it really could be either. The rhizomes can multiply pretty fast if they're happy. After a few days, are they growing up, or are they moving horizontally?
Thanks for the reply. Most have definately become new stems and already producing leaves. We had a few hot days and they definately soaked up the sun.
I rebuilt the bridge for a little more safety because my son is on it nonstop when we are outside. I'm sure he will be swimming in it by the end of the summer.
Got some phlox and hosta to plant around the pond, as well as a tiger lotus and an identified lily waiting to sprout.
All of the water hyacinth has died, and I'm on the fence whether or not to buy more.
I took my son fishing the other day and he caught his first fish, a beautiful nice sized red breasted sunfish, although he wanted nothing to do with it once out of the water. But I scored myself and dug up a few arrum(sp?) plants and some sweet grass for along the length of the stream.
Sorry the pics are blurry, my phone even though has a 41 megapixel camera just won't focus nowadays.

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Wow, lookin great. Grats to your son on his fish catch. I see that you're in NJ. I'm really unfamiliar w/ weather patterns out there, but I know over here in CO it's still too cold (at night) for floaters to go out. Usually I recommend to guests where I work that we wait til night-time temperatures are consistently above about 55 degrees before hyacinth can safely go out. Maybe if you've had some chilly nights up there, it got to them. If you do wanna try em again, I'd wait til weather is much warmer.
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Thanks again. I will wait and see and watch if nutrients become an issue or not to decide to add floaters. I ordered 500+ duckweed for the stream section and will use it to feed the koi. I currently estimate the water volume around 1200 gallons based on a few calculators.
I am still working on flow and am trying to keep wattage down. I added a Laguna air pump and I have plans to build an air driven filter at the lowest point and hooking the waterfall up to a skimmer. The pollen this year has been bad as always and the water has been a nice tea color for over a week.
I am changing roughly 75 gallon of water every other day using the pond water for the gardens. My wife loves lilies and are they too numerous to count. Very thirsty plants!
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