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Old 05-22-2012, 09:01 PM   #1
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Rams in a 10 gallon?!


I was searching through the forum trying to find out how many CPDs I could fit in a 10 gallon. I didn't find quite what I was looking for to answer that question, but I found something else that excited me. Someone was trying to find out if they could stock their 10 gallon with rams (the species of ram was undecided). Can you stock a pair of German Blue Rams in a soon to be heavily planted 10 gallon? The reason I was going for the CPDs is because this tank will be so heavily planted that the GBRs will probably have a hard time wiggling in and out of the planted areas. Let me know what you opinions are on this. I won't be to disappointed if the GBR pair is to big for a 10 gallon
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Old 05-22-2012, 10:43 PM   #2
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Yeah they won't do too good in there. They tend to stake a territory if they breed and they wont let anything in that vacinity. Tends to be about a foot to a foot and a half radius of impenetrable GBR dominance. I say about one pair per 20 gallons is the minimum. But that's just me
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I was thinking about just one pair of GBRs. Would they have the same dominance if it were just a male and female?
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Yeah male and female breeding pair is what I'm talking about. I just got my first pair about two months ago and they're doing great in my 29. But a friend of mine has a pair in his 55 that are about 2.5" long. So you see what I mean? They will outgrow that tank fast. Plus even in his 55, they set up a parimeter like a military force and they would not let anything near the nest. I watched, with my own eyes, a lonely bleeding heart tetra wander too close to the nest and bang.....the male flew at him like a missile to a Target and killed the bleeding heart with a SINGLE BLOW. it sank to the bottom and died a few minutes later as the shock was too much....so yeah....the male and female show some dominance.....
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Yes, I see what you mean. I wasn't going to have any take mates in there with the pair. All of the dominance issues that you have stated are with the tank mates. I just want to be 100% sure it isn't doable.
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Old 05-22-2012, 11:47 PM   #6
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I was thinking about do this too but from what I have read. It doesn't big enough them.
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Old 05-22-2012, 11:49 PM   #7
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I'd go with badis or pygmy gouramis. They're smaller and less militant when breeding.
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I'm sure its doable. Nothings impossible, but I wouldn't recommend it. They're very sensitive to space and water parameters. They stress easily too if they feel they don't have enough space to themselves.
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Looks like I'll just go with a group of CPDs then. How many could I comfortably fit in a 10 gal?
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Well a small fish like that would probably be good for the one inch of fish per gallon rule.
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i mean, it's maybe doable, but i don't think that makes it right. it's like you with a husband/wife in a closet, trying to make babies xD. doesn't sound fun, does it?
CPDs are awesome little fishies anyways, i'd definitely go with them even if rams were a real option...
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+1 to the above
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I've got a Trio of GB Rams in my Toxic Ten now. They are starting some pre-spawn activity. Girl on Girl posturing, Male cleaning the small pc of slate I put in. The Tank is thicker that the last photo on that Journal.

I breed Golds years ago. I think water is the big factor. My comes out of the tap at 7.5ish. When I see this activity I start doing my water changes with distilled water and/or rain water. I add Oak Leaf tannins via Oak Leaf tea and bring up the temps. I think food variety is also important. Of course live food if you can find it.


The odd girl will work as a dither fish and there's plenty of cover to hide. If I only had the pair I'd introduce a molly or other live bearer as a dither fish.
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i mean, it's maybe doable, but i don't think that makes it right. it's like you with a husband/wife in a closet, trying to make babies xD. doesn't sound fun, does it?
CPDs are awesome little fishies anyways, i'd definitely go with them even if rams were a real option...
I respectfully disagree. While of fish to tank size/amt. ratio is important. I think what is more important is to consider the natural swimming range/area of the fish itself.

Rams & Apistos live in a very small nitch in the wild. Unlike CPD that have a much larger area they cover. In this comparison the CPD might voter 50Xs the space a ram does every day in the natural world. While the dramatic image husband and wife raising a baby in a closet is compelling on the surface, it is not relative to the topic.
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Love the last line, Dog!

Yeah, rams and apistos can do it in a small tank. A. steindachneri has been know to spawn in five-gallon holding-buckets. These are the largest apistos, with males getting 4+ inches. Just don't stress the rams (lack of cover, lights coming on at 4 AM, letting the water quality deteriorate, etc.) and they should be fine. If they are the only fish in there, it should be a stable, stress-free environment.
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