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Old 01-14-2015, 03:26 PM   #1
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identify this baby snail


So i woke up this morning to find this little guy crawling on my anubias. Idk what kind of snail it is hoping its a nerite its got a little gold spotted pattern. Also theres these brown specs on my anubias that look like poop all over the leaves idk if that has any corilation. Any snail experts out there?
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Old 01-14-2015, 03:31 PM   #2
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Heres a better pic if the spots on my anubias
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Old 01-14-2015, 06:07 PM   #3
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That looks like a pond snail, esp with those spots. I raise them for my puffers and loaches. If you dont have any snail eaters tho they can kinda get out of hand. Nerites are much bigger and dont spawn in fresh water, so I really doubt its a juvenile nertite. If they ever get out of hand (and you have room for another fish), skunk loaches are the most voracious predators of them ive seen. My pod of 3 can take out 50+ snails in a night (they are nocturnal). Pea puffers are great at removing them too but tend to only eat live foods. so if you dont have a gammarus/snail tank(easy as hell) for live foods, you might have a hard time keeping them alive.
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Old 01-14-2015, 07:18 PM   #4
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+1 The snail appears to be a bladder/pond snail. Common and relatively harmless, will chew through dying plant leaves.

The spots on your upper-right anubias leaf look like a green spot algae. The lower leaf it is harder to tell what those brown bits are, too blurry.. baby snails? baby black brush algae?

Also, your crypts and anubias seem to be showing a bit of chlorosis... Interesting the crypt is showing a yellow-edge to green center pattern (magnesium deficiency?) and the anubias is showing yellow center to green edge pattern (mild nitrogen deficiency? )
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That looks like a pond snail, esp with those spots. I raise them for my puffers and loaches. If you dont have any snail eaters tho they can kinda get out of hand. Nerites are much bigger and dont spawn in fresh water, so I really doubt its a juvenile nertite. If they ever get out of hand (and you have room for another fish), skunk loaches are the most voracious predators of them ive seen. My pod of 3 can take out 50+ snails in a night (they are nocturnal). Pea puffers are great at removing them too but tend to only eat live foods. so if you dont have a gammarus/snail tank(easy as hell) for live foods, you might have a hard time keeping them alive.
They only eat decaying plants? I thought of leaving it be in the tank idk how big they get or if theyll destroy my plants that was my main concern. Definately dont have room for anymore fish im at capacity.

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+1 The snail appears to be a bladder/pond snail. Common and relatively harmless, will chew through dying plant leaves.

The spots on your upper-right anubias leaf look like a green spot algae. The lower leaf it is harder to tell what those brown bits are, too blurry.. baby snails? baby black brush algae?

Also, your crypts and anubias seem to be showing a bit of chlorosis... Interesting the crypt is showing a yellow-edge to green center pattern (magnesium deficiency?) and the anubias is showing yellow center to green edge pattern (mild nitrogen deficiency? )
Well i seperated the snail in a container and its been pooping like crazy and sure enough its identical to the stuff on the back leaf thats too blurry to see lol i guess the anubias was his home. The spots i think youre right about it being algea and i think i do have baby black brush algea it looks like tiny patches of black fuzz. Idk what to do about that but im going to buy some excell right now. Also ive been dosing an all in one fertilizer liquid with micro macro nutrients and trace elements so not sure if i have any deficiencies. My anubias seems pretty dark green to me minus 1 leaf that just opened up from a bulb which is more of a lime green. Crypts have me a bit worried with the color but theyve actalually been growing more leaves and look fuller. My biggest concern is my dying red lilly idk what to do about that one its melting away.
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Old 01-14-2015, 07:55 PM   #6
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They only eat decaying plants? I thought of leaving it be in the tank idk how big they get or if theyll destroy my plants that was my main concern. Definately dont have room for anymore fish im at capacity.

Pond snails stay fairly small... Roughly pinto-bean sized.

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Well i seperated the snail in a container and its been pooping like crazy and sure enough its identical to the stuff on the back leaf thats too blurry to see lol i guess the anubias was his home.
If the snail is mostly eating algae, it is going to poop like mad.. not a very nutrient dense food source, so they have to eat a lot of it.

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Also ive been dosing an all in one fertilizer liquid with micro macro nutrients and trace elements so not sure if i have any deficiencies. My anubias seems pretty dark green to me minus 1 leaf that just opened up from a bulb which is more of a lime green. Crypts have me a bit worried with the color but theyve actalually been growing more leaves and look fuller. My biggest concern is my dying red lilly idk what to do about that one its melting away.
An all-in-one fertilizer that's truly complete isn't generally possible in liquid form. At the very least, iron and phosphorus react if present in sufficient concentrations, so you can't have good doses of both.

If you're using Seachem's flourish comprehensive, that's mostly a micronutrient fertilizer. It contains some NPK, but very little compared to what plants consume.

For example flourish comprehensive contains 0.07% Nitrogen, and 0.32% iron.. that's less than 1/4 as much nitrogen as iron.

However, plants consume something on the order of 100 times more Nitrogen than iron... (Plant leaf dry matter is typically a few percent nitrogen, and a few hundredths of a percent iron)

Clearly you can't dose enough nitrogen with flourish comprehensive without massively over-dosing iron.

I'm no expert on lillies, but that looks a lot like nitrogen defficiency, which seems a bit strange given high fish load. I might try to find a fertilizer tablet with a good amount of nitrogen and put it near that plant. (Seachem root tabs are, like the liquid, mostly micronutrient..)
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Pond snails stay fairly small... Roughly pinto-bean sized.



If the snail is mostly eating algae, it is going to poop like mad.. not a very nutrient dense food source, so they have to eat a lot of it.



An all-in-one fertilizer that's truly complete isn't generally possible in liquid form. At the very least, iron and phosphorus react if present in sufficient concentrations, so you can't have good doses of both.

If you're using Seachem's flourish comprehensive, that's mostly a micronutrient fertilizer. It contains some NPK, but very little compared to what plants consume.

For example flourish comprehensive contains 0.07% Nitrogen, and 0.32% iron.. that's less than 1/4 as much nitrogen as iron.

However, plants consume something on the order of 100 times more Nitrogen than iron... (Plant leaf dry matter is typically a few percent nitrogen, and a few hundredths of a percent iron)

Clearly you can't dose enough nitrogen with flourish comprehensive without massively over-dosing iron.

I'm no expert on lillies, but that looks a lot like nitrogen defficiency, which seems a bit strange given high fish load. I might try to find a fertilizer tablet with a good amount of nitrogen and put it near that plant. (Seachem root tabs are, like the liquid, mostly micronutrient..)
Well that explained a lot... im not using tabs since i used all flourite for the substrate but since you brought that up im gonna look for some to see if i can save my dwarf lilly. I see some little holes in my crispus im thinking potassium? So im assuming i need to buy a bottle of each of these nutrients? Sounds a bit expensive i know its like 10 bucks per bottle of flourish iron then potasium and so on... i just left the store with excell so all i have now is flourite, flourish excell and flourish comprehensive
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