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Old 01-30-2012, 06:38 AM   #31
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im kinda new to all this water mixing stuff and plain and simple dont do it but i keep crystal reds, and oebt in tap water no ro unit here. i did have a berryed crystal red but kid decided the tank needed filled and use a part of a gallon of distilled and no more eggs but other than that all are great in tap water. i do not have a clue what my perameters are right now cause i have not owned a test kit in years but will be gettin one in a day or 2 so ill let any one who wants to know then. i do use miracle grow organic (peat based) capped with sand so that might have a bit to do with it. sorry for the randoms post but im just wondering what the gh/kh and all vs the ro water is about do most people have a prob with reg tap water so they cant keep caridina shrimp?
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Old 01-30-2012, 07:21 AM   #32
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im kinda new to all this water mixing stuff and plain and simple dont do it but i keep crystal reds, and oebt in tap water no ro unit here. i did have a berryed crystal red but kid decided the tank needed filled and use a part of a gallon of distilled and no more eggs but other than that all are great in tap water. i do not have a clue what my perameters are right now cause i have not owned a test kit in years but will be gettin one in a day or 2 so ill let any one who wants to know then. i do use miracle grow organic (peat based) capped with sand so that might have a bit to do with it. sorry for the randoms post but im just wondering what the gh/kh and all vs the ro water is about do most people have a prob with reg tap water so they cant keep caridina shrimp?
Caridina cantonensis seem to have a range of water parameters where they thrive. Mostly this means cool, soft water (low ph, low gh/kh).

Most people have tap water that is too hard for caridina cantonensis. The most reliable and probably the most effective way to deal with this is to use RO and use a mineral additive/supplement to mix back into the RO water in order to get the measurements to an ideal level.

If you are already keeping caridina cantonensis and having success using tap water then don't worry about it. It applies more to people who can't get them to live/breed with the tap water that they have locally or for people who just want to try and have everything as perfect as possible for them.
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Old 01-30-2012, 12:00 PM   #33
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My questions are, you said you had a berried crystal. How long have you had your crystal shrimp? Have you had other berried shrimp? Also, have you had babies in this tank before? If so, what was the survival rate? I think my tap water, other than having a slightly high pH, could do ok with caridina shrimp. Thing is, even if the parameters look ok, I don't know what all is in my water. I'd love to be able to use tap water but when the time comes and I have a tank full of $30-$50 shrimp, I want to make sure that I am giving them the best living environment I can and if that means RO/DI water, then that's what they are going to get.
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Old 01-30-2012, 01:54 PM   #34
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My questions are, you said you had a berried crystal. How long have you had your crystal shrimp? Have you had other berried shrimp? Also, have you had babies in this tank before? If so, what was the survival rate? I think my tap water, other than having a slightly high pH, could do ok with caridina shrimp. Thing is, even if the parameters look ok, I don't know what all is in my water. I'd love to be able to use tap water but when the time comes and I have a tank full of $30-$50 shrimp, I want to make sure that I am giving them the best living environment I can and if that means RO/DI water, then that's what they are going to get.
Another reason to use RO/DI water is that your tap water sometimes undergoes changes through seasons. Maybe it gets harder, pH higher, more minerals at some point, you just don't know with it. That's why you essentially have to use RO/DI water with caridina species unless you're using well water.
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Old 01-30-2012, 05:30 PM   #35
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Another reason to use RO/DI water is that your tap water sometimes undergoes changes through seasons. Maybe it gets harder, pH higher, more minerals at some point, you just don't know with it. That's why you essentially have to use RO/DI water with caridina species unless you're using well water.
Well water will change also though.
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Old 01-30-2012, 05:37 PM   #36
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Well water will change also though.
Really? I thought the TDS/gH/kH was pretty constant with well water year round
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Old 01-30-2012, 05:56 PM   #37
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A lot of it has to do with run off. How much rain and snow will effect your TDS even in a well. I have asked for a detailed water report from my company. it tells you everything that's in your water and how much. It's pretty interesting. That report can let you know how good or bad your water really is. It's free and they email it to you.
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Old 01-30-2012, 06:11 PM   #38
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A lot of it has to do with run off. How much rain and snow will effect your TDS even in a well. I have asked for a detailed water report from my company. it tells you everything that's in your water and how much. It's pretty interesting. That report can let you know how good or bad your water really is. It's free and they email it to you.
Yeah I knew you could get those water reports if you're using the city's water lines. But I thought if you run off of well water, that was kind of it's own separate thing. No experience with having well water haha.
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It depends upon the location and type of water you are getting your well water from.

If it is from some deep, isolated aquifer then it should be pretty stable.

We have wells in the river valley so the water is constantly mixed in with the water table from the river so I am sure that it fluctuates a ton.
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my blue tiger shrimp breed no prob i have had the crystal reds since about mid november i think. first one i saw berried was first part of jan. no babys now i think the change in water when the distilled water was added stressed them. i do have small shrimp but i also have the rili in there and so not sure whos babys they really are
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Old 01-31-2012, 04:18 PM   #41
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Oooo thanks for reminding me.

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You gonna lay some old sea mud down under the akadama? I think that's important when using akadama
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Old 02-02-2012, 11:53 PM   #42
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Ok...so my Old Sea Mud arrived today (THANKS mordalphus!!!) so I am making some RO water and hoping to get the tank running this evening. I have my first bucket of H2O and I am trying to get it remineralized. Out of the RO I get:

KH/GH 0-1
TDS 2

I added some Kent's RO Right until I got GH 4 (very light green, how green should it be?), KH still 0-1, and TDS is 187. Does that seem right to have such high TDS? I was expecting more along the lines of 150 or so.
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If there was only gH then the TDS should be ~80. Since it is much higher Kent RO right must be adding back some minerals that are conductive.
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If there was only gH then the TDS should be ~80. Since it is much higher Kent RO right must be adding back some minerals that are conductive.
I think I saw someone mention somewhere that it has some salts in it which would probably conduct and thus show up as TDS. I don't know this for a fact though and I haven't used RO Right before.
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If there was only gH then the TDS should be ~80. Since it is much higher Kent RO right must be adding back some minerals that are conductive.

That's what I thought. Is that normal with Kent's? I thought it was supposed to be one of the better products but jacking up the TDS like that, it seems to me that it's kinda "dirty" which is why I avoided the SeaChem stuff.
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