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Old 01-04-2012, 01:42 PM   #31
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I'm with A Hill on the price front. You can do it for $300 but realistically, it's probably a good idea to save more. Even if you don't spend it all at once? You'll eventually have to sink it into the tank.

45P, I think, has a bit more depth and it's easier to go the Iwagumi route than with a Mini L.

You can definitely get a great Eheim for cheap. I picked one up on Fleabay (2213) for about $40 shipped. It'd been used for about a year but works perfectly. You can occasionally find them here in the SnS for $75ish shipped. That is, if you're willing to wait a bit until you have all the right stuff. If you go the SunSun route, consider snatching up one with a built-in UV filter or included in-line UV filter. You may never use the UV but it's a nice feature to have.

Archea fixtures are terrific for ADA tanks. They look as nice as they perform, in my experience. But if you truly want to go the budget route, consider standard clamp-style shop lights from your local hardware store and 6500K CFLs. $5-$7 per fixture (you can even remove the clamp and suspend them from above for a nice look) and $4-$5 per bulb. ZooMed also makes nice, deep, black dual-bulb fixtures that you can pick up for $30-$40. No where near as attractive as the Archea fixture, though. And less cost efficient than the clamp lamps.

When it comes to paintball CO2, I recommend finding someone on the SnS to sell a standard regulator to you for cheap. I've picked them up for $20-$40 on a number of occasions. Just another $15 for a paintball adapter so you can use the regulator. Also consider spending the $40-$50 for a solenoid kit. Makes life way less complicated and safer. Maybe also consider having a couple extra paintball tanks filled and ready to go so you always have a backup, as well.

When I did my last 45P in the office, here's my price breakdown (not that you'd spend the same, just what we spent):

$87 for the tank
$40 for 2213
$30ish for a glass cover + stainless steel holders/clips/thingies to hold the glass in place
$20 on rock
$20 for plants
$60 on shrimp + snails + other stock
$100 for lighting
$50 for lily pipes
$132 for substrate and such (ADA)
$30 for an in-line CO2 diffuser
$130ish total for a full paintball setup with regulator, solenoid and two paintball canisters
$30 for electrical & timers

On edit - forgot a couple things:
$50 for in-line heater
$10 for clear filter hoses from hardware store (get them - especially if you're using lily pipes, it's worth the cost)

Was in no way cutting costs but I hope that makes it a bit easier for you to see realistic prices. Without trying, we sank a ton of money into it. Lots of wiggle room, though, and you can easily do it for cheaper.

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Old 01-04-2012, 02:33 PM   #32
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nice break down Jake!
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Old 01-04-2012, 02:47 PM   #33
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Where can I get it for that price? That is an ideal range for me, but would I be able to grow HC with it? Over a 45-P?
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Not sure if you could grow HC. You'd probably want the 36W fixture if you wanted to grow HC
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Old 01-04-2012, 04:27 PM   #34
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I'm with A Hill on the price front. You can do it for $300 but realistically, it's probably a good idea to save more. Even if you don't spend it all at once? You'll eventually have to sink it into the tank.

45P, I think, has a bit more depth and it's easier to go the Iwagumi route than with a Mini L.

You can definitely get a great Eheim for cheap. I picked one up on Fleabay (2213) for about $40 shipped. It'd been used for about a year but works perfectly. You can occasionally find them here in the SnS for $75ish shipped. That is, if you're willing to wait a bit until you have all the right stuff. If you go the SunSun route, consider snatching up one with a built-in UV filter or included in-line UV filter. You may never use the UV but it's a nice feature to have.

Archea fixtures are terrific for ADA tanks. They look as nice as they perform, in my experience. But if you truly want to go the budget route, consider standard clamp-style shop lights from your local hardware store and 6500K CFLs. $5-$7 per fixture (you can even remove the clamp and suspend them from above for a nice look) and $4-$5 per bulb. ZooMed also makes nice, deep, black dual-bulb fixtures that you can pick up for $30-$40. No where near as attractive as the Archea fixture, though. And less cost efficient than the clamp lamps.

When it comes to paintball CO2, I recommend finding someone on the SnS to sell a standard regulator to you for cheap. I've picked them up for $20-$40 on a number of occasions. Just another $15 for a paintball adapter so you can use the regulator. Also consider spending the $40-$50 for a solenoid kit. Makes life way less complicated and safer. Maybe also consider having a couple extra paintball tanks filled and ready to go so you always have a backup, as well.

When I did my last 45P in the office, here's my price breakdown (not that you'd spend the same, just what we spent):

$87 for the tank
$40 for 2213
$30ish for a glass cover + stainless steel holders/clips/thingies to hold the glass in place
$20 on rock
$20 for plants
$60 on shrimp + snails + other stock
$100 for lighting
$50 for lily pipes
$132 for substrate and such (ADA)
$30 for an in-line CO2 diffuser
$130ish total for a full paintball setup with regulator, solenoid and two paintball canisters
$30 for electrical & timers

On edit - forgot a couple things:
$50 for in-line heater
$10 for clear filter hoses from hardware store (get them - especially if you're using lily pipes, it's worth the cost)

Was in no way cutting costs but I hope that makes it a bit easier for you to see realistic prices. Without trying, we sank a ton of money into it. Lots of wiggle room, though, and you can easily do it for cheaper.
Wow, Thanks. That is very helpful! Where did you get the glass cover for that price?
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Old 01-04-2012, 09:00 PM   #35
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Jake, thanks for the rundown. I'm definitely gonna go for the 45-P if/when I follow through with this. As far as stocking costs I'm not looking at that right now as I should have plenty of shrimp, all I would need to get would be about 10-12 neons or similar schooling fish.

This tank is going to be good looking (externally and scape wise, at least. I don't care about what I don't see ) or I'm not going to do this at all. That's one thing I've learned in the hobby, that there is almost always a happy medium. Like between AGA and ADA you can get a Mr. Aqua tank. And between DIY CO2 and a full setup there is paintball CO2, etc. But some things you can't skimp on if you want a really nice, clean looking tank. And in my case I think that the tank itself and the lighting, and substrate too, are the, if you will, un-skimp-able parts.

Also, could you post me some pics of your 45-P? To get some ideas? It'd be much appreciated.

On the note of substrate, what are you talking about with the 160 dollars? Aelyssa said that I would be able to get away with a 3L bag, which confused me too, but now I'm even more confused...


To Jeff: I saw that on AFAs site, but I thought for some reason you said $60 shipped? Maybe I misread.


And to everyone -- what is the general WPG measurement "required" to grow HC quickly, healthily, and shallow/flat?

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I'm with A Hill on the price front. You can do it for $300 but realistically, it's probably a good idea to save more. Even if you don't spend it all at once? You'll eventually have to sink it into the tank.

45P, I think, has a bit more depth and it's easier to go the Iwagumi route than with a Mini L.

You can definitely get a great Eheim for cheap. I picked one up on Fleabay (2213) for about $40 shipped. It'd been used for about a year but works perfectly. You can occasionally find them here in the SnS for $75ish shipped. That is, if you're willing to wait a bit until you have all the right stuff. If you go the SunSun route, consider snatching up one with a built-in UV filter or included in-line UV filter. You may never use the UV but it's a nice feature to have.

Archea fixtures are terrific for ADA tanks. They look as nice as they perform, in my experience. But if you truly want to go the budget route, consider standard clamp-style shop lights from your local hardware store and 6500K CFLs. $5-$7 per fixture (you can even remove the clamp and suspend them from above for a nice look) and $4-$5 per bulb. ZooMed also makes nice, deep, black dual-bulb fixtures that you can pick up for $30-$40. No where near as attractive as the Archea fixture, though. And less cost efficient than the clamp lamps.

When it comes to paintball CO2, I recommend finding someone on the SnS to sell a standard regulator to you for cheap. I've picked them up for $20-$40 on a number of occasions. Just another $15 for a paintball adapter so you can use the regulator. Also consider spending the $40-$50 for a solenoid kit. Makes life way less complicated and safer. Maybe also consider having a couple extra paintball tanks filled and ready to go so you always have a backup, as well.

When I did my last 45P in the office, here's my price breakdown (not that you'd spend the same, just what we spent):

$87 for the tank
$40 for 2213
$30ish for a glass cover + stainless steel holders/clips/thingies to hold the glass in place
$20 on rock
$20 for plants
$60 on shrimp + snails + other stock
$100 for lighting
$50 for lily pipes
$132 for substrate and such (ADA)
$30 for an in-line CO2 diffuser
$130ish total for a full paintball setup with regulator, solenoid and two paintball canisters
$30 for electrical & timers

On edit - forgot a couple things:
$50 for in-line heater
$10 for clear filter hoses from hardware store (get them - especially if you're using lily pipes, it's worth the cost)

Was in no way cutting costs but I hope that makes it a bit easier for you to see realistic prices. Without trying, we sank a ton of money into it. Lots of wiggle room, though, and you can easily do it for cheaper.
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Old 01-04-2012, 09:40 PM   #36
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Look on aquatraders for the lights, you won't have to spend$100 unless you want halides
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Old 01-04-2012, 10:13 PM   #37
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Maybe he bought powersand and all the other additives like bacter100 and penac.

I'd get a 9L bag of aquasoil just in case, it's not too much more and it's always good to have more than less and have to order another 3L bag.

for light, you can easily build a nice LED light for 100 bucks. I'm running 9 LEDs over my girlfriend's mini-L. If i didn't get the controller, I could've done it for under 100 bucks.
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Old 01-04-2012, 10:35 PM   #38
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Yep - bought all the goodies with Aquasoil + shipping. I think that price also included a bag of powder type to go along with it.

DEFINITELY get a 9L bag. 3L won't be enough for any sort of nice Iwagumi scape. 3 would maybe be enough for a super-flat bottom covering, though.

Had the glass cover cut at a local shop. Much cheaper than ordering from AFA.

That tank's in my Flagstaff office. Will try to snap some photos when I'm there in a couple weeks.
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Old 01-04-2012, 10:41 PM   #39
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@Jake: that's what I was thinking about the AS. How much should I plan on spending on rocks?

On a side note, what kind of office is it? Because the only places I have ever seen tanks are doctors offices, dentists, and restaurants and they all suck lol
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Well for me it was 60$ with free shipping. Maybe cuz I'm closer to them? Sorry about the confusion.
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Haha it's cool. It's like $13 shipping... So like 6 Sakura shrimp, I can make that in a day, right?
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For rock, it depends on your source and what look you're going for. I'm a fan of lace rock (the kind I used here) because of the way it ages in fresh water. Also provides tons of little cavities for shrimp to hide and it's usually easy to find in local fish shops. Usually $1-$2 per pound. $20 last bought me enough to fill a five gallon bucket all the way up. Typically buy more than I need and have it laying around for the inevitable next tank.

If you want the really fancy stuff that most people use in ADA Iwagumi tanks? Probably $30-$40.

While it's not always easy to find exactly what you're looking for, I think it's best to go to every local pet store (or landscape companies) in your area that you can feasibly get to. Look at all the rock available and make your decision that way. Since you're making an effort to make this setup exactly what you want, I say make the effort to go on a nice rock hunt. You'll end up with more than you need and will get tons of layout ideas. (NOTE: if you plan on digging through large bins of rock and stacking stuff in an aisle to see what looks best, alert a salesperson so they know you're about to nerd out. My local folks have grown to expect that from me but it's sometimes a shock to folks if I'm in a new area. "OH MY GOODNESS! What is this shavey-headed guy doing with all that rock in the floor?!")

Also - if you have access to a boat, sometimes it's interesting to go trolling for rock in area lakes and rivers.

Just one of my company's offices. Often a stressful environment for staff… so I started keeping tanks in my main office a few years ago. Now trying to do so in both locations because it's not just a lot of fun for me - and an excuse to waste even more time and money that, you know, doesn't need to be wasted - it's been a great morale booster. When work life is tough or hectic, it's always nice to have a creative outlet. And most people never really see or understand planted aquariums until they're exposed to those us TPT folks keep, I've found.

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@Jake: that's what I was thinking about the AS. How much should I plan on spending on rocks?

On a side note, what kind of office is it? Because the only places I have ever seen tanks are doctors offices, dentists, and restaurants and they all suck lol
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The general consensus here is that you should rifle your kid's college fund and sell your wife's diamond wedding ring for the hobby, but only if she is not wearing it at the time. (Some would debate that requirement)

I would think a good rule of thumb is $50 per gallon. You could go cheaper, but in the end, it will be $50 per gallon, after you add in lights, a good tank, substrate, plants, fish food, test kits, filters, heaters, fish, shrimp, stand, cover, heater, food, electric outlet strips, replacement filters, dechlorinator, bacteria start. Cheap costs, and you could buy cheap, but it will only break ... so in the end $50 per gallon.

You can bring that down... if you are smart.
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I don't think that $50/gallon is fair. I've since set up my tank since this thread; probably tossed close to $800-$1000 into it. For an ADA tank, full blown setup, even just three gallons can easily run you $600. At least.
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Old 03-06-2013, 09:12 PM   #45
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I wish $50 per gallon was a reality. I'm more than $2,700 into my 12gal.
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