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Old 11-06-2012, 02:48 PM   #166
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Jaz; I (used to) plant my Cabomba. It roots heavily and won't grow much until some roots are down. Whatever you add, add lots at once.
Dog; They've been like that about six months. I used to keep them at 77 for years and before that at 72 for years. They seem fine at all of those temps. Just a bit better, to my eye, at 86. I have never heard a good argument for the temp being too high for the fish directly, only rumors of color loss. I guess I do it to keep the fish metabolism and immune response up and to convert ammonia quickly. I imagine it advantages the bacteria over plants ( which would love to have the ammonia for themselves). You can cycle crazy fast at these temps.
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Old 11-06-2012, 02:54 PM   #167
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To me, Goldfish keeping is all about waste removal and that is primarily about ammonia levels and that is all about nitrogen reducing bacteria. Unless you want to change 40 gallons a day, which I don't. I don't really know that plants don't uptake ammonia as quickly, reularly and dependably as bacteria do but this way I feel I maximize both forms of removal. Bac can take a day to adjust to ammoina spikes and plants might have to wait until the lights come back on, so a humming bac colony seems like the way to go. The fish health I can't really reason out, but there are asian fish farms which produce top fish at these temps so... I dunno. Seems to work.
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Old 11-06-2012, 11:41 PM   #168
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For clarity, I think 78 is best for fancy goldfish, but 86 is better for bacterial response. I spent a year in china and all the big producers there kept their fish at 78.
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Old 11-06-2012, 11:52 PM   #169
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I think I'm still going to go with a dirt layer and a really good pool filter sand cap, that's what I have supplies for, if I continue to have issues I will consider and plan for potted plants. I have lots of plants growing hydroponically in breeder boxes and a large hob filter and I plan on getting more. Im hoping that with the new substrate I will cut down on the nitrates since no soil will be leeching into the water coloumn. I also plan up upping my plant mass even more with more crypts.
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:49 AM   #170
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Sounds like a good plan. I'm glad you're keeping the sand. It looks way better.
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:53 AM   #171
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Yes, I love the sand and I'd keep it regardless of the dirt or not. It is also the cheapest stuff to use too.
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Old 11-08-2012, 12:26 AM   #172
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You mean pool filter sand? If so, Yeah it's my favorite. I will probably always miss sand, but if you ever try bare bottom there's one thing to look forward to. You can re "scape" your tank everyday. It takes about ten seconds to shove all the driftwood with the plants attached around into a new layout. The fish seem to dig it.

Ps. I just made my first ever gel food and am pretty stoked. I feel qualified to join the GAB now Gonna put a little post here but I don't know how many non goldy people care about DIY food.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:08 AM   #173
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You mean pool filter sand? If so, Yeah it's my favorite. I will probably always miss sand, but if you ever try bare bottom there's one thing to look forward to. You can re "scape" your tank everyday. It takes about ten seconds to shove all the driftwood with the plants attached around into a new layout. The fish seem to dig it.

Ps. I just made my first ever gel food and am pretty stoked. I feel qualified to join the GAB now Gonna put a little post here but I don't know how many non goldy people care about DIY food.
Yay! Gel food is good stuff, just keep it cold or else you will have goo. People should care about gel food, it's the healthiest way of feeding your fish! What did you use for the ingredients?
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Old 11-08-2012, 05:04 AM   #174
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I used agar not gelatin for the gelling agent so it stays firm even when warm. Agar is way better. It comes from seaweed and is high in fiber, protien and nutrients. I used:

50% peas
20% water
15% New Life Spectrum large fish formula
10% pure spirulina
5% agar
a few drops of garlic oil
9 probiotics blend

The fish flipped out. I have never seen such a mad feeding frenzy. They even did something really odd; When the food was gone, all four stopped dead still and stared directly at me in unison for like two minutes. Very wierd. They really like the stuff. What do you use?
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Old 11-12-2012, 10:03 PM   #175
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Ps. I blame my constant uprooting of plants for some algae troubles I had. Probably released ammonia into the water. It's partly the reason I scrapped the soil/sand. Just couldn't stop messing with it.
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Old 11-13-2012, 01:26 AM   #176
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I use a recipe from gab, it has pumpkin, collard greens, mustard greens, kale, mackerel and vitamins and probiotics. I also add in garlic too.

I never rescaped, I just added too which eventually made dirt surface, that's what I think my nitrate problems are from.
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Old 11-13-2012, 11:29 PM   #177
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Nice. Next time around I might add more vitamin C. My fish seem to digest this stuff very well. Do you use gelatin? Agar? I have no comparison for gelatin but like the agar.
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Old 11-13-2012, 11:42 PM   #178
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By the way, I froze my food which must have killed the probiotics .So much for all the care I took not to expose them to much heat in the process. Oh well.
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Old 11-14-2012, 01:24 AM   #179
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I use gelatin, that's what the recipe called for, I'd like to try agar but would have to figure out how much. I freeze mine too, or else it would all go bad.
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Old 11-14-2012, 02:22 AM   #180
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any trouble/complaints with the gelatin? I might try it.
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