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Old 10-15-2012, 07:56 PM   #1471
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And you want the red pant eh? hehe
It's fine in my 180 actually, gets nicer in there.

I can try the Sao Paulo, the Pant might be a bit large for that tank perhaps, R wallichii grows too fast also.

Ludwigia "red" might work, H araguaia, some of the rotala's, I have some Red macrandra you can have and some R colorata also. R butterfly and magenta seem troublesome over time, but I have not grown them much either, so I'll find out in the next coupe of months again.

Tues-Friday will be much better for me.
Mon I will not be around till 4-5 pm.
Tuesday works for me.

I'll bring the 2 stems of R. Sunset and my P. Sao Paulo (submerged and emersed).
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Old 10-16-2012, 03:44 AM   #1472
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Hacked back the Syn belem, one group was sold as manuas, but it's belem, that's okay though, nice plant either way.

I combined both groups and gave them a good trim. Hacked the R wallichii back, Ludwigia pilosa, mini Myrio, trimmed some Red Ludwigia for some folks, trimmed the R magenta and then pruned and replanted the tops of R sunset, I got about 7-8 nice tops. One stem from the original 2stems I planted seem to get that weird necrosis after a few days. Still not sure why, 2 days ago is was growing great and the stem next to it is/still fine.

I'll redo the Left side and put the UG on the far Left and then the downoi perhaps in the Erio row. The E hydropiper will go where the UG is now.
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Old 10-21-2012, 05:56 AM   #1473
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Did a big hack today.

Needed since I'll be gone for about 2 weeks.

I like the new scape and there's some empty spots waiting for the Elatine hydropiper to come.

Rotala magenta(R macrandra "narrow") is doing well. I have the Rotala sunset and the R. magenta next to each other. I will decide who is going to stay and who will be moved later as they grow out more.
I'll post some new pics tomorrow evening.

Be nice to compare those with the next two weeks later pics.
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Old 10-21-2012, 08:14 AM   #1474
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Curious, what will you do with the tank if you're gone for 2 weeks? Is there anyone there to come in and help add in fertz or fill up water?
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Old 10-21-2012, 09:17 PM   #1475
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Aloha Tom

This tank is simply a work of art.. your tanks have always been my favorite setups.
You are a Master of Planted Tanks.
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Old 10-21-2012, 10:09 PM   #1476
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I am going to move the UG to the far left and add Elatine hydropiper in the UG space.
I have some moss and perhaps another red plant for the far Right hand corner.




Close up of the UG recovery post Rummy nose removal:


Top Right rear corner:


The Ludwigia "pilosa"(old incorrect name) does very well for me, but only recently started to grow straighter.
I removed the H "pinnifata". Also added a Bolbitus short leaf form, will see if it stays small in the 5-6" range.
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Old 10-21-2012, 10:15 PM   #1477
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How're you liking the CPR overflows? Any issues with loss of siphon? I'm adding a sump to my setup soon. I'm fedup with surface scum and excess equipment in the tank.
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Old 10-21-2012, 10:25 PM   #1478
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How're you liking the CPR overflows? Any issues with loss of siphon? I'm adding a sump to my setup soon. I'm fedup with surface scum and excess equipment in the tank.
Well, keep a spare aqualift pump and a repair kit handy.
I use pipe cleaners to ream the suction and use the tygon tubing so you can micro wave and clear any algae out.

Sumps are good if you minimize any loss CO2. This also includes the pre filter.
I'm adding some modifications to the prefilters coming up in the next 1-2 months.

You can also set the herbie/bean animal style set up on the over flow to reduce loss(but makes the noise go way down also). Some seal the prefilter box side also.

If the siphon loses, the tank has some amount of leeway and the sump runs dry if you set it up right. The siphon lost is gradual IME, it is something you'd catch fairly easily day to day.

If you leave for 2 weeks, maybe not.

Surface scum is just one issue, but they are much easier to clean, much higher O2, and much easier to add CO2 at a wide range of ppm's, the water evaporation lines are not an issue. All this means you can muck things up and not have nearly as many issues.
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Old 10-21-2012, 10:40 PM   #1479
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Rather than a lifter pump couldn't you just set up a venturi line between the section over the side of the tank and a downtube?
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I have a whole boat load of the rotala macranda "Japan red" if you would like to try it. Have probably 20 super healthy stems I could offer for trade. Was just offering as you said you were looking for another red.
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Old 10-22-2012, 02:30 AM   #1481
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Rather than a lifter pump couldn't you just set up a venturi line between the section over the side of the tank and a downtube?
Sure, but if the hose or intake gets clogged with a leaf etc, or a shrimp etc.......that does little to resolve it.

Simply keeping a close eye on it.

For future tanks and designs, I have another idea similar to many of the reef folks.

For a quick decent add on that can be moved around, they are pretty good though.
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Old 10-22-2012, 02:32 AM   #1482
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I have a whole boat load of the rotala macranda "Japan red" if you would like to try it. Have probably 20 super healthy stems I could offer for trade. Was just offering as you said you were looking for another red.
Thank you very much.

I'm actually sort of done with the normal or slight variations of macrandra.
I had the Japan next to the normal and could not tell the difference myself.
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Curious, what will you do with the tank if you're gone for 2 weeks? Is there anyone there to come in and help add in fertz or fill up water?
I turn the lights down for some tanks.
Some I shorten the day length.

I hire a college student stop by and add water and clean prefilters of leaves etc.
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Old 10-22-2012, 03:23 AM   #1484
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Tom, is that rotala magenta that is in front of the rotala sunset? I have some of that in my tank and when I received it it was almost a hot pink color as it was grown emersed. After transitioning to submerged growth and some stunting from co2 not being ideal I finally got the new growth coming in like it should but I have been reading this plant can be a pain. Have you grown this plant before and what are your experiences with it. I really love the look of the L. Patanal and will need to try this one some time.
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Old 10-22-2012, 05:17 AM   #1485
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Tom, is that rotala magenta that is in front of the rotala sunset? I have some of that in my tank and when I received it it was almost a hot pink color as it was grown emersed. After transitioning to submerged growth and some stunting from co2 not being ideal I finally got the new growth coming in like it should but I have been reading this plant can be a pain. Have you grown this plant before and what are your experiences with it. I really love the look of the L. Patanal and will need to try this one some time.
I think most people have the same experience with the R magenta/narrow macrandra. I'd say many try, and fail. It's easy to grow commercially, but tough in the hobby. Which is why we see it. I've never seen anyone sell clippings continuously. Jeff , a local member in SF area had the best looking bunch. So it can be done, the growth on mine from the 1st batch is doing very well, there is a 2nd batch I added to give it a try. This location is high current and bright. Rotala macrandra and it would seem this plant, do very well near/in current IME.
The L pantanal is heavily trimmed often, it takes a lot of work to keep it this short and compact. Maybe 10-15 min a week for that one plant. I do not even bother selling it etc, I just toss the ratty parts and keep only the best.


R magenta/narrow mac has a nice deep rich red color. I may give up on R butterfly because this should be so close and looks nice. I may end up placing it elsewhere after awhile, maybe on the far right side next to the Tonina. But that will be later after the R. sunset and the R. magenta grow out 1st.
I've failed with it many times, but I've learned a few things this last few years, so I'll see if that will help. I think I can scape with it nicely. I did well with it ina couple of tanks, but I was still not able to offer trimmings for sale. That is the key factor, if you can do that, only then are you successful IMO.
Due to the current in this spot and the requirement for color, shorter trimmed species etc. It's not an easy spot to fill. L "pilosa" does very well etc, just lacks the right color.
The R. magenta I have has not stunted, but it VERY OFTEN comes in with U. gibba, bladderwort infestations and of course hair algae, mostly Spirogyra.
Algaefix takes care of that after a couple of days, then carefully picking off the bladderwort...so then they are ready to add.
I trim it pretty short and then leave it alone. Looks like it's doing very well. One of the sunset stems melts and went black. Still no clue why. The others are fine and doing well.

I am considering mini Riccia if I can find any.
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