millers microplex

toddziegler · 08-23-2011, 04:20 PM

I used the PPS for making a stock solution Trace elements (microplex) and it said to use 116 grams for a 450ml bottle. That sounds like a lot to me. If that is right how much of it would I does daily. My tanks are what I would consider high tech ie; 4-5wpg light, CO2 @4-6bps and H2O changes every 3 days or so @ about 50-75% at a time. I am very new to dry ferts and creating my own wet stocks. Please help

150EH · 08-23-2011, 05:59 PM

Ditch the PPS system as it is the most complicated in the history of aquatic plant gardening, 116 grams is a lot and sounds crazy to me. I tried PPS and had problems with the ratios but do like some of the observations at the site.

EI is much easier, no scale, no calculator, etc. Miller microplex is a Fe suppliment correct, so it would be used in very small amounts if you had a an Fe deficientcy after using Plantex + CSM.

150EH · 08-23-2011, 08:55 PM

Or is Miller's microplex an earlier version of Plantex + CSM, as a multi micro nutrient fert?

OverStocked · 08-23-2011, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 150EH

Or is Miller's microplex an earlier version of Plantex + CSM, as a multi micro nutrient fert?

Millers is a completely different trace mix than Plantex. It is a european mix, much more common on the other side of the pond.

It is a MICRO element trace mix. NOt just iron.

**jkan0228** · 08-23-2011, 09:01 PM

I would have to disagree with that as using PPS-Pro was the best thing that ever happened to me. For a 1L bottle you use 80 grams of trace. Not sure what calculator your using but for a 450ml bottle you would need 36g of millers for that bottle.

150EH · 08-23-2011, 09:03 PM

I just found it here http://agr.wa.gov/pestfert/fertilize...spx?pname=1569 it is trace elements and just heavy on the Fe. It looks like something you might use if you are using all RO/DI water.

2in10 · 08-23-2011, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 150EH

Ditch the PPS system as it is the most complicated in the history of aquatic plant gardening, 116 grams is a lot and sounds crazy to me. I tried PPS and had problems with the ratios but do like some of the observations at the site.

EI is much easier, no scale, no calculator, etc. Miller microplex is a Fe suppliment correct, so it would be used in very small amounts if you had a an Fe deficientcy after using Plantex + CSM.

After reading it through I found it no more difficult than EI.

toddziegler · 08-23-2011, 09:07 PM

thanks the clc. gave me an origonal dose of 36gr but then when i put iy inj again it gave 116 figure

**jkan0228** · 08-23-2011, 09:09 PM

It has all different kinds of micro ferts but has more iron than Plantex+CSM. Use this calculator
http://sites.google.com/site/aquatic...r/home/pps-pro

**Jeffww** · 08-23-2011, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 150EH

I just found it here http://agr.wa.gov/pestfert/fertilize...spx?pname=1569 it is trace elements and just heavy on the Fe. It looks like something you might use if you are using all RO/DI water.

Miller's microplex is used in tissue culturing as well as hydroponics it is objectively better than CSM +B as it has more of just about everything including manganese.

**jkan0228** · 08-23-2011, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeffww

Miller's microplex is used in tissue culturing as well as hydroponics it is objectively better than CSM +B as it has more of just about everything including manganese.

I haven't had personal experience but from what I've heard from friends and other people on forums, Millers is somewhat better than CSM+B

KH2PO4 · 08-23-2011, 11:53 PM

No one noticing copper?
Microplex has 15 times more Cu than CSM+B.

And where do you read it has more Fe than CSM+B?
CSM+B has Fe around 6.53%.

Microplex?
4%

I just can't see how it could be better than CSM+B,
apart from using DTPA.

Or you're getting bad result because there is now less boron
in CSM+B than before?
http://www.barrreport.com/showthread...-Plantex-CSM-B

FYI: Microplex is from completely another company from CSM.
Not an older version.

**jkan0228** · 08-24-2011, 12:02 AM

Ive never had any scientific calculations that have read that millers has more iron. But this is what I hear from people. And are you saying that Copper is bad for plants? Unless your using it on a shrimp tank that I can understand.

KH2PO4 · 08-24-2011, 12:18 AM

It's very easy to see, without any scientific calculation.
CSM+B is 6.53% iron by weight.
Microplex is just 4%.

If you want to see list of all the nutrients in the two.
http://www.thekrib.com/Plants/Fertilizer/pmdd-tim.html

Copper toxicity to plants is well known. Use google.
For example: http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/ge...does-kill.html

KH2PO4 · 08-24-2011, 12:23 AM

CSM+B:

Fe 6.53%
Mn 1.87%
Mg 1.40%
Zn 0.37%
Cu 0.09%
Mo 0.05%
B 1.18%

Microplex:

Fe 4.0%
Mn 4.0%
Mg 5.4%
Zn 1.5%
Cu 1.5%
Mo 0.1%
B 0.5%
Co 0.05%

08-23-2011, 04:20 PM	#1
toddziegler Algae Grower (View User Tanks) PTrader: (6/100%) Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: arlington, tx usa Posts: 79	millers microplex I used the PPS for making a stock solution Trace elements (microplex) and it said to use 116 grams for a 450ml bottle. That sounds like a lot to me. If that is right how much of it would I does daily. My tanks are what I would consider high tech ie; 4-5wpg light, CO2 @4-6bps and H2O changes every 3 days or so @ about 50-75% at a time. I am very new to dry ferts and creating my own wet stocks. Please help

08-23-2011, 05:59 PM	#2
150EH Planted Tank Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (27/100%) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Churchton, Maryland Posts: 5,369	Ditch the PPS system as it is the most complicated in the history of aquatic plant gardening, 116 grams is a lot and sounds crazy to me. I tried PPS and had problems with the ratios but do like some of the observations at the site. EI is much easier, no scale, no calculator, etc. Miller microplex is a Fe suppliment correct, so it would be used in very small amounts if you had a an Fe deficientcy after using Plantex + CSM. __________________ Eheim Pimp #92 2.5 Gallon Shrimp Nano 10 gallon Metaframe Planted 150 Gallon Tank Journal

08-23-2011, 08:55 PM	#3
150EH Planted Tank Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (27/100%) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Churchton, Maryland Posts: 5,369	Or is Miller's microplex an earlier version of Plantex + CSM, as a multi micro nutrient fert? __________________ Eheim Pimp #92 2.5 Gallon Shrimp Nano 10 gallon Metaframe Planted 150 Gallon Tank Journal

08-23-2011, 09:01 PM	#5
jkan0228 Planted Tank Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (105/100%) Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 5,386	I would have to disagree with that as using PPS-Pro was the best thing that ever happened to me. For a 1L bottle you use 80 grams of trace. Not sure what calculator your using but for a 450ml bottle you would need 36g of millers for that bottle. __________________ First Planted 95G Mr. Aqua 11.4 Crypts and Shrimp Post Your Rare and Pricey Crypts!

08-23-2011, 09:03 PM	#6
150EH Planted Tank Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (27/100%) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Churchton, Maryland Posts: 5,369	I just found it here http://agr.wa.gov/pestfert/fertilize...spx?pname=1569 it is trace elements and just heavy on the Fe. It looks like something you might use if you are using all RO/DI water. __________________ Eheim Pimp #92 2.5 Gallon Shrimp Nano 10 gallon Metaframe Planted 150 Gallon Tank Journal

08-23-2011, 09:07 PM	#8
toddziegler Algae Grower (View User Tanks) PTrader: (6/100%) Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: arlington, tx usa Posts: 79	thanks the clc. gave me an origonal dose of 36gr but then when i put iy inj again it gave 116 figure

08-23-2011, 09:09 PM	#9
jkan0228 Planted Tank Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (105/100%) Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 5,386	It has all different kinds of micro ferts but has more iron than Plantex+CSM. Use this calculator http://sites.google.com/site/aquatic...r/home/pps-pro __________________ First Planted 95G Mr. Aqua 11.4 Crypts and Shrimp Post Your Rare and Pricey Crypts!

08-23-2011, 11:53 PM	#12
KH2PO4 Planted Member (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0/0%) Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 245	No one noticing copper? Microplex has 15 times more Cu than CSM+B. And where do you read it has more Fe than CSM+B? CSM+B has Fe around 6.53%. Microplex? 4% I just can't see how it could be better than CSM+B, apart from using DTPA. Or you're getting bad result because there is now less boron in CSM+B than before? http://www.barrreport.com/showthread...-Plantex-CSM-B FYI: Microplex is from completely another company from CSM. Not an older version.

08-24-2011, 12:02 AM	#13
jkan0228 Planted Tank Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (105/100%) Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 5,386	Ive never had any scientific calculations that have read that millers has more iron. But this is what I hear from people. And are you saying that Copper is bad for plants? Unless your using it on a shrimp tank that I can understand. __________________ First Planted 95G Mr. Aqua 11.4 Crypts and Shrimp Post Your Rare and Pricey Crypts!

08-24-2011, 12:18 AM	#14
KH2PO4 Planted Member (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0/0%) Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 245	It's very easy to see, without any scientific calculation. CSM+B is 6.53% iron by weight. Microplex is just 4%. If you want to see list of all the nutrients in the two. http://www.thekrib.com/Plants/Fertilizer/pmdd-tim.html Copper toxicity to plants is well known. Use google. For example: http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/ge...does-kill.html

08-24-2011, 12:23 AM	#15
KH2PO4 Planted Member (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0/0%) Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 245	CSM+B: Fe 6.53% Mn 1.87% Mg 1.40% Zn 0.37% Cu 0.09% Mo 0.05% B 1.18% Microplex: Fe 4.0% Mn 4.0% Mg 5.4% Zn 1.5% Cu 1.5% Mo 0.1% B 0.5% Co 0.05%

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