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Old 03-14-2005, 06:33 PM   #31
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Well somehow for over a decade it's not infested any tank I've worked on after I made this change.iven the number of tanks, the number of folks I've helped and the time, luck ain't it.

It's also something I can go back and repeat.
Algae is there for a reason, if it's still a problem, you still have a CO2 issue, that's not what you want to hear, but the algae does not lie, your test kit might......

So until ytou address that, you'll keep having it come back again and again.
Or perhaps I have been really really really lucky for a really long time........


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I don't have any BBA on my plants at all, every once in a while I see a tuft growing on a single piece of Florite. I keep my CO2 at 26-28 ppm which is not as high as mr hyde is going to try, but my tanks ok by my standards. If cranking up the CO2 gets rid of it and turning down the CO2 brings it back then it's never really gone is it? In one million tanks there are a million different variables times the number of different fish, plants, substate, and etc., either have had some luck or have been doing this long enough that you don't get your variables as far out of wack as the rest of us, or are you saying that you have found the holy grail and that one size fits all.
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Old 05-12-2011, 09:53 PM   #32
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I want someone to give me a definitive confirmation to the following statement:

"Sufficient Co2 will hinder the growth of BBA."

If this is true isn't the path to success with this algae ensuring a constant flow of 30 to 45 ppm Co2? I mean add in some SAEs to boot but this seems too simple for this algae to cause the discussion/hatred that it does...

Someone confirm or deny please

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Old 05-13-2011, 02:17 AM   #33
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I have a consistent amount of co2 at 30ppm, and my BBA flourishes on one plant that's directly in the filter flow. I think it's more complex than constant co2.
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Old 05-13-2011, 02:33 AM   #34
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I want someone to give me a definitive confirmation to the following statement:

"Sufficient Co2 will hinder the growth of BBA."

If this is true isn't the path to success with this algae ensuring a constant flow of 30 to 45 ppm Co2? I mean add in some SAEs to boot but this seems too simple for this algae to cause the discussion/hatred that it does...

Someone confirm or deny please

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If other things are out of balance, you could have all the co2 in the world and you'd get bba.

My tank runs over 40 ppm of co2. Close to 50, I'd guess(if I add fish to the tank without long acclimation-weeks they die in less than an hour....). I still get bba in this tank.

also, this thread might be one of the best grave robbings I've ever seen.
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Old 05-13-2011, 02:35 AM   #35
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This thread has been resurrected from 1995, LOL. I guess it's true that BBA is one tough son of a ....

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I have a consistent amount of co2 at 30ppm, and my BBA flourishes on one plant that's directly in the filter flow. I think it's more complex than constant co2.
Definitely more complex. The co2 is a stock answer that relies on a certain amount of plant mass to have an effect on BBA. Why would co2 in itself fight BBA?
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Old 05-13-2011, 02:48 AM   #36
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This thread has been resurrected from 1995, LOL. I guess it's true that BBA is one tough son of a ....



Definitely more complex. The co2 is a stock answer that relies on a certain amount of plant mass to have an effect on BBA. Why would co2 in itself fight BBA?
2005 /= 1995.....

And the answer to what causes algae is simple: Too much light, too little co2, and too little nutrients.

Identifying WHICH of those three is your problem can be tricky.... but when in doubt blame too much light. Or not enough co2. Or not enough nutrients.

Crap.
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Old 05-13-2011, 04:00 AM   #37
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Alright, allow me to explain and... thank you for the hijacking comment . I mean they weren't using it anymore and I didn't see the need to start another one when I could dust this perfect thread off right here.

I have a problem with bba but it is a problem that persists. I will only allow the tank to get so bad before I tear it down, bleach it, and replant everything. I have heard the same, what I consider truth, story over and over regarding each type of algae. Bottom line, there is something out of whack be it lighting, ferts, or Co2. Let me give my tank bio and we'll see if the experts can give me a hand.

Lighting:
My lighting is a true story of live and learn. I had 60 watts of T8 6500 over my 125g tank and I couldn't grow anything. It is a 125 long and given the depth of my substrate I got about 19" of water that my lighting has to penetrate. Tired of having plants wither away I bought a light fixture that I knew would grow plant life -- a 6 x 80W T5HO light fixture... thats right baby 480 watts of luminescent heaven. Now on top of buying the equivelant of a rectangular search light I also put it approximately 4" above my tank. So in short... I grew plants alright and everything else too. There wasn't a type of algae that I didn't have so I took some steps:

Following this thread I thought I would put Hoppy's theory into practice mostly because I don't have a PAR meter and I trust the work that this man does and here is the result:

First off here is a shot of only 4 of the lights on, 2 x 6500 and 2 x 10000 and this is what we can get. See the glare and the obvious over intensification of the lighting due to both light strength AND placement of the fixture. Notice my home made screens on display above the tank.


I know someone wants to comment on how sparsely the tank is planted but I assure you there is a plant at least every 2 sq. inches. After my last bleaching because of bba I had to mow a lot of leaves off of my stem plants to trigger new growth and that is what you're looking at right here.

Now, this is after I turned another light off. So I'm running on 2 x 6500 and 1 10K bulb AND I have the screens in place:


Ferts:

I have yet to find a location locally that sells the raw material that I need to dose dry ferts, lord knows that I would love to. I guess I could buy them online but unfortunately I am my worst enemy here because I don't want to take the time to learn a schedule that works for the tank. However, I do fertilize my tank daily with a blend purchased here. I do dose religiously and I do a 50% change at the end of each week which besides providing the reset I believe my fish & inverts really enjoy the large infusion of fresh water. I dose according to their directions but I will admit that as the plants get larger my dosage gets larger because I suspect the amount dosed should mirror what the surface area of each plant can absorb... I could be wrong on this.

Plants:

I have my fast growing stems, floaters, heavy root, and so on and so forth. Most improtantly is that the tank is PLANTED. Not semi or moderately but heavily. I will admit that the photos don't show to what degree the tank is planted so I snapped a couple more shots:

My struggling carpet


My giant vals are sprouting daughters and growing, excuse the Crinum thaianums I just picked those up today


My ball of java moss that I call shrimp manor is actually moss completely covering some mopani, the side is hygro and mermaid


Sprouting nana, I think


The point is that she is well planted and the plants are absorbing what I am giving them, the light is turned down, Co2 is high so what else could I possibly change in order stop bba from growing? Do I need to wait until the majority of my plants are larger and therefore can produce a larger uptake of nutrients and ultimately knocking bba down?

Lemme know,
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Old 05-13-2011, 01:59 PM   #38
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Well, firstly you have a very thinly planted tank of mostly slow growers. (BTW is that Java Fern planted in the substrate, cause that's a no, no.)

You have way too much light for that type of setup even with only 4 bulbs.

The high light, slow growth and thin planting will most defintely cause problems. Again this tank is a good example of even if you throw 100ppm of co2 your still probably gonna have problems. It simply doesn't have the plant mass, growth factor to support the other variables.
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Old 05-13-2011, 03:55 PM   #39
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ok so I have pretty much no more substrate that I can disturb to plant anything. All of the plants are small. I'm aware that the mass isn't there because everything is small I can't accelerate the growth of small plants to make them large to add to the mass.

If I'm "thinly planted" what am I suppose to do when there are plants everywhere, create another layer of substrate to start planting in? I'm sorry to sound sarcastic but you pretty much are saying that I don't have the plants needed to produce the needed effect. I have about 90 vals, amoung other plants, in the tank ranging from giant to cork screw to regular and each produce a runner and about an inch of growth a day. I have floating lettuce that is unstoppable as far as duplication. The rotala is creeping along the substrate and up just fine.

Maybe you need to be more specific because you make it sound like I'm doomed unless I stuff the tank full of egeria densa and wisteria.... If I'm truely lacking fast growers give me some ideas on what I can throw in there to fill the minimal amount of gaps I have. Also, there needs to be a distinguishing factor between thinly planted and mowed down. I have the same plants in the tank that I have in the tank in my signature. The only difference is that I had to remove a lot of the leaves.

So, what are some good fast growing plants?

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I'm kind of calling you out cards. You want to criticize what I have and what I have worked for that is fine. However, the mentality of this forum has always been one that has presented not only a problem but a way to fight through the issues that the OP is having.

If I'm "thinly planted" and "lack the plant mass" then what can I do? Show me the path to success please. I don't post on this forum to waste the time typing.

Be constructive instead of having an attitude that is damning without presentation of a solution.

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I'm kind of calling you out cards. You want to criticize what I have and what I have worked for that is fine. However, the mentality of this forum has always been one that has presented not only a problem but a way to fight through the issues that the OP is having.

If I'm "thinly planted" and "lack the plant mass" then what can I do? Show me the path to success please. I don't post on this forum to waste the time typing.

Be constructive instead of having an attitude that is damning without presentation of a solution.

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I think you took something too personally. When I read that post I do not see any attitude or attack. Saying you had too much light presented a solution. Reduce your light even more.
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Re-reading I think you're right. My apologies cards. That mood was driven by day-to-day work related stress. I think I fell prey to the forum version of road rage. I have already lowered the light even more by unplugging another bulb which means there are some areas of my tank that are receiving almost no light what-so-ever.

This is not a genuine emergency or major concern at this stage. Having said that I would like to prevent bba if and when I reach that crossroads and I don't think that lowering the lighting is going to be the kick that finally kills the would-be opponent.

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very thinly planted tank of mostly slow growers
I want to put some more fast growers in there. Lets make that happen and attack this situation on multiple fronts.
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Wow that was weird. I'm not sure how you got that from my post, but no problem. I've had bad days too.

I guess when a thread is resurrected from 2005 that was started by a someone named Mr. Hyde strange things happen, LOL.

Overstocked - thanks!
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So what can I throw in the tank that grows super fast and doesn't look too bad?
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So, what are some good fast growing plants?

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Some of my favorite fast growers are Rotalas and Ludwigias species.
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