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Old 10-25-2012, 03:06 PM   #166
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It's around $150 new. Small, low wattage, stainless solenoids are hard to come by. That's why Bettas so excited.
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Old 10-25-2012, 05:50 PM   #167
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it is really good.
I think I need to let people know because large amount available, low price and I've been looking for this solenoid valve for longer than a year.
normally I don't give out information on what solenoids to pick up, because they are expensive and are really hard to come by, if certain models of solenoid are well known and have been targeted, my chance to get one is zero.
The burkert 2822 is not the case here, It is really rare and expensive, but just too many available at this time, and I did get some of them before I let the hobbyists know, with this large amount everyone will have a chance to get one, why not?
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Old 10-25-2012, 06:18 PM   #168
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it is really good.
I think I need to let people know because large amount available, low price and I've been looking for this solenoid valve for longer than a year.
normally I don't give out information on what solenoids to pick up, because they are expensive and are really hard to come by, if certain models of solenoid are well known and have been targeted, my chance to get one is zero.
The burkert 2822 is not the case here, It is really rare and expensive, but just too many available at this time, and I did get some of them before I let the hobbyists know, with this large amount everyone will have a chance to get one, why not?
Is the 24 volt supply hard to come by, or just a regular wall wart transformer?
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Old 10-25-2012, 06:21 PM   #169
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Here's a question for the experienced guys, is there any benefit to putting this nice, high quality needle valve after a so-so paintball or regulator setup? Space really is an issue on both my tanks - the mini paintball regulators really would help with that.

You can't run any co2 tank/system on it's side, can you?
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Old 10-26-2012, 03:16 AM   #170
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It's around $150 new. Small, low wattage, stainless solenoids are hard to come by. That's why Bettas so excited.
Um, he's been over-exited recently, maybe he got his gases mixed up?

Yes, good price, etc etc but I'm not getting that warm feeling... Besides the rarity and price, what are the practical differences? It opens, it closes, it opens again lol. Do please educate me. Thx!

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A woman will spend a $1 on a $2 item she does not need.
A man will spend $2 on a $1 item he needs.
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Old 10-26-2012, 07:58 AM   #171
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Um, he's been over-exited recently, maybe he got his gases mixed up?

Yes, good price, etc etc but I'm not getting that warm feeling... Besides the rarity and price, what are the practical differences? It opens, it closes, it opens again lol. Do please educate me. Thx!

What going through my head is:
A woman will spend a $1 on a $2 item she does not need.
A man will spend $2 on a $1 item he needs.
lol, you caught me.
oldpunk and me do need this valve, and a brass burkert 6011 cost $35 without din connector or power cable, so we both treat it as item that we need, btw, it is $35 for a $200+ that we need.
and this apply to others who want a high quality co2 system, I am sure they are going to build nice systems with this solenoid and the Parker H3L metering valve.
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Old 10-26-2012, 08:13 AM   #172
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I'm curious what 24VAC adapter people are using for the Burkert 2822?

I would assume the same adapter would work for the Burkert 6011A (the 24VDC one)
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Old 10-26-2012, 08:55 AM   #173
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It is the 24V DC power supply for the Burkert 2822.

it is $2-$5.....
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Old 10-26-2012, 10:30 AM   #174
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It is the 24V DC power supply for the Burkert 2822.

it is $2-$5.....
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Is 500 mA too much? Too little? What about 1 A?

Not too sure about that part
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the solenoid only draw 0.056A, on a clippard mouse solenoid.
and 0.167A on burkert 2822.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_will_...r_current_load


edit: did the calculation wrong, using 12V DC instead of 24VDC, on burkert 2822.
The current on burkert 2822 is 0.083A.

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the solenoid only draw 0.056A, on a clippard mouse solenoid.
and 0.167A on burkert 2822.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_will_...r_current_load
Thanks for the answer, but I thought that if you tried to connect a smaller load (say 167 mA) onto a power supply that is supplying 24V at 500 mA, then the actual voltage the solenoid is getting will be higher than 24V?
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Old 10-27-2012, 08:45 PM   #177
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I just received one of these Parker H3L valves and I have to say that I'm impressed by the apparent quality of it. Admittedly, I haven't tried it yet, but the action "feels" much smoother and more refined than that of the Hoke Millimite 1300 series valve that I was originally planning to use in my upcoming build. Again, this isn't based on use, just tactile impression. I can't wait to see it in action.
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Old 10-28-2012, 01:05 AM   #178
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I just received one of these Parker H3L valves and I have to say that I'm impressed by the apparent quality of it. Admittedly, I haven't tried it yet, but the action "feels" much smoother and more refined than that of the Hoke Millimite 1300 series valve that I was originally planning to use in my upcoming build. Again, this isn't based on use, just tactile impression. I can't wait to see it in action.
Well, in any metering valve, there's a nut that will increase or decrease the pressure needed to turn the handle.

The H3R is much more precise than both the 1300 types (1 and 3 degree stems). But with 10 seconds and an adjustable wrench, you could make the HR3 knob pretty much impossible to turn, while making the 1300 handle as smooth as butter. Tactile impression is important, but less so when it's easily altered.
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Old 10-28-2012, 06:21 PM   #179
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Adjustments made with a wrench won't do much to change my perception of the difference in perceived fit, finish, and action between the two valves. The larger diameter handle and the counter dial mechanism also contribute to this impression. This does not imply that one is objectively superior to the other, and I have no doubt they function similarly enough for our purposes. Frankly these valves seem to be overkill and I expect that a handful of clothespins could be made to perform with some ingenuity. Fortunately the $28 price point makes that decision moot.
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Old 10-28-2012, 07:14 PM   #180
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I also received one of the Parker H3L valves for the $28 price for my upcoming build. Now I just need to find a decent regulator on a poor man's budget as well
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