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Old 06-21-2013, 12:15 PM   #1696
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Shrimpzone project 15

OK, so let's go back and review what we WOULD HAVE NEEDED for a REAL ZONE (aside from a four-digit pile o' cash, that is), and where we've faked it to, up until this post. The highlighted items are what DK has accomplished so far (functionally) with her work-arounds.
  • First, she'd need to add a fourth air zone trunk off of her main air handling trunk.
  • Then, she'd need to buy another motorized zone control damper, to install in that fourth trunk.
  • Then, she'd need to make, off this trunk, air registers to feed air from that trunk into the Shrimporium room.
  • Then, she'd need to make a trunk off her RETURN trunk, back to the system, in the Shrimporium.
  • Then, she'd need to make, off the RETURN trunk, a return air register to remove air from the Shrimporium and feed it back into air handling system.
  • Then, she'd need to balance the air VOLUME input with output, in the Shrimporium room.
  • THEN, she'd need to integrate her new zone to the existing BYPASS damper to take the excess air handler air flow and divert it to other zones. Feeding the Shrimporium room would not take the entire output of the air handler, which is a fixed flow rate, so the excess output has to go somewhere or you fry your air handler fan against too much resistance. Zoned systems have, for each zone, a master bypass damper that re-routes excess air to other zones and dissipates the extra flow this way.
  • Then, she'd need to buy a whole new FOUR zone controller, and re-wire every dad-gum zone to the controller, then wire the fourth zone into the air handler.

So, this brings us up to AIR INPUT vs. AIR RETURN balance, in that zone, and in the Shrimporium specifically. We want balance two ways.

First, we need the same volume of air to ENTER the Shrimporium as to EXIT the Shrimporium when the conditioned air is flowing through the zone. In the early beta testing, this was easily accomplished by just leaving the door open between the rooms.

Second, we need the volume split of AIR SENT TO THE SHRIMPORIUM vs. THE REST OF THE AIR, SENT TO THE BASEMENT GENERAL ZONE to be balanced such that, as the air handler cools down the Shrimporium by, say, two degrees, it ALSO cools down the basement general zone by approximately the same amount, or slightly less.

DK really doesn't care if the general zone gets slightly less, because the nature of that space is that it is VERY well insulated, being in the ground, and it's also not a hot space, being in the ground. While the Shrimporium is similarly insulated and in the ground, it has MANY heat sources generating heat that the basement general zone does not have. Generally, the basement general zone is habitable even with minimal conditioning. So the name of the game here is to send the resources to the Shrimporium, mostly, and not waste a lot of energy conditioning the general zone, which, honestly, doesn't need much of anything. What it DOES need, however, is adequate air circulation to help remove humidity when the air conditioner is running, so we DO need SOME conditioned air flow to the general space whenever that zone is active. The basement in general tends to accumulate some humidity, which needs to be removed. It is removed WHEN the air handling system is active, either by being fed warmed, dryer air in winter, or by being fed air-conditioned air in summer. When air is passed through the air handler for air conditioning, it is ALSO de-humidified at the air handler, and the humidity condensate is pumped from the air handler out a special channel to the house drainage system, removing that water.

The proportion of VOLUME (that would be: volume of space of the actual room) between the Shrimporium room and the general space is about 1/4 Shrimporium and 3/4 general space. HOWEVER, due to the above heat loads, the conditioning needs (that would be: the AIR volume needs) of the Shrimporium space are probably 1/2 to 2/3 of the air flow of the zone.

Make sense?

So, next in line are the balance equations.

DK would love to tell you she came up with some sleek, elegant solution to the balance issues. She has solved them, but the solutions are more Honey Boo Boo, There I Fixed It, than elegant. The solutions were cheap, however, and if you'd see the Shrimporium space with the Water Factory III and other stuff, the space itself is - well - a DIY, eclectic, utilitarian decor, shall we say. So it's not like DK Honey Boo Boo'ed her living room, OK?

Next up: the cringeworthy DIY fix DK did, to achieve her balances equation. But, hey, it was under a hamilton, to do. She used two scrap sheets of acrylic from her bins, and a former storage bin/cheapo first generation shrimp tank a la Rubbermaid.

The first thing she did was fabricate a cheat piece. This was made from one of the acrylic sheets, heat fabricated to make an angle. This was installed up into the hole in the zone trunk, to force a GREATER proportion of the trunk flow out the Shrimporium hole than would go past this hole and onto the basement general zone. Because the hole to the Shrimporium space is perpendicular to the fast air flow, it was fed mainly by pressure release of the air flow, and not by direct air flow, directionally. So DK made a physical plate to catch the oncoming airflow and redivert about half of it in the trunk to exit at the Shrimporium hole.

So, with the acrylic sheet diverter mounted INSIDE the zone trunk, she can adjust the square inches of diverter surface area to achieve the balance BETWEEN the fraction of zone air that goes into the Shrimporium versus the fraction that goes into the general space.

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Old 06-22-2013, 04:57 PM   #1697
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ok that one me little brain could not wrap around lol. you have a far better technical understanding than i. so glad you can figure this stuff out cause i never could.
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Old 06-23-2013, 08:11 AM   #1698
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DK, I have read probably 75-80% of this thread and all I can say is WOW. . . . You are a genius/mad scientist in every sense of the word.
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Old 06-23-2013, 08:02 PM   #1699
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DK, I have read probably 75-80% of this thread and all I can say is WOW. . . . You are a genius/mad scientist in every sense of the word.
Why...uh...thank you. I'm trying not to let my brain blow up.

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DK spent today like this (see picture, below). She's hot on the trail of another kooky project, trying to make a silk purse of a sow's ear. Specifically, she's trying to functionally and cheaply arrive at an air suspension seat for, um, say, somewhere under a Ben Franklin.

Can she do it? She thinks she just might. Really, really, fun, this is. Springboarding her from her air-shock research she did for the Lid Levitation.

Just another iteration of the all-things-eventually-relate-to-each-other theme.


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what state do you live in?
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Old 06-23-2013, 10:44 PM   #1701
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what state do you live in?
The state of denial. Of course.
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Old 06-24-2013, 01:11 AM   #1702
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Well, the greasy hands went through a lot of Gojo, today.

DK got her shopping done and ordered, after meandering through truck sites, Harley sites, and the old standards of Amazon and eBay.

So far, she's under a Ben.

Can't wait to try this. Had to take the whole darned thing apart today, to really understand the geometry, to see if I could possibly pull this off. Real estate issues, you know.

I think I need a T-shirt or cap that says, "I hope this works"

Shrimptern 2.0 would be proud of DK.

Let's just say, this is the key:

(And, OK. DK succumbed to a bit of fashion. There were practical reasons why, though.)


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Old 06-24-2013, 08:54 PM   #1703
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Plamen, here they are, what do you think?


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Old 06-24-2013, 09:55 PM   #1704
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Youp, those are the “magic” plans.
My Grandmother were very good herbologist/naturopath
Those ones were second best herb after stinging nettle for immune system support, bacterial infections and Iron, Calcium deficiency.
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Old 06-25-2013, 04:30 AM   #1705
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thats good to know cause there are alot of them out here the plant that is.

and dk more german pics please and thank you. hehehe i like the fuzzys as much as i do the shrimpkies hehehehe
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Ahem.


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I didn't try them yet, so if somebody wants to try they have to give it to some cheap shrimps. It is very good for us, rabbits like it but shrimps who knows.
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I didn't try them yet, so if somebody wants to try they have to give it to some cheap shrimps. It is very good for us, rabbits like it but shrimps who knows.
I'm gonna try 'em this weekend on a ghetto tank. Got too much going on the rest of this week.
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They got here before the tracking number was even active.

DK cannot WAIT to try this out. Still waiting on some parts, though.

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DK has a favorite part of every project. It might be an idea, a concept, an approach, or a part. I think these coo-el rocket ships might be my favorite part of this upcoming project.


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ha ha thanks for the picks dk, yeah they look mean when playing and i bet sound it too some times but its all in fun lol moose is the same way. if i ever make it to be a shrimptern i would have to bring him too lol
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