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Old 04-13-2015, 09:50 PM   #1
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Finnex 24/7 planted+


So i know this is an awkward question seeing the the product has yet to hit the market, but after looking at the other Finnex led's on this site i went ahead and put in my pre order for the 24/7 planted+. My question is, would one 48 inch model be enough for a 55 gallon planted tank? I will only plant jungle val, wisteria, moneywort, amazon sword and a few other lower light plants.

I have a coralife 24" HO T5 on a 20G tall that seems to work well with the above mentioned plants and wanted to know if i could expect the same results? The reason i ask is with the T5 on my 20G tall i am pushing 2.4 watts per gallon, but with the 24/7 planted+ Finnex states on their site that it pushes 46 watts which is less than 1 watt per gallon. I know that leds are measured differently than that of other types of lights when it comes to their results with plants (i think). but will this work out ok or should i start looking at another setup to add to the 24/7?
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:53 AM   #2
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Yes, it should be enough. It will put out medium light to the substrate. However, the light cycle puts out less intense light throughout most of the day on that light. So you may have to use it the old fashion way with a timer if you want a longer photo period than the 24/7 cycle gives you.
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Old 04-14-2015, 01:56 PM   #3
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For sure. The new model has nearly identical PAR than the original planted +
The fixture will be able to grow even more needy plants than the ones you listed. I have an HM carpet in my 75 gallon that is being grown by a standard 48" planted+ without co2 supplementation. The carpet is lush and sends up bubbles giving the illusion that I'm injecting co2. If you were to add a second light, you would be in the danger zone without co2, but I've used planted plus and a current satellight before without problems dosing excel.
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Old 04-14-2015, 02:39 PM   #4
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Finnex states on their site that it pushes 46 watts which is less than 1 watt per gallon. I know that leds are measured differently than that of other types of lights when it comes to their results with plants (i think). but will this work out ok or should i start looking at another setup to add to the 24/7?
Yeah, WPG is silly... My heater consumes 150 watts in a 36 gallon, but doesn't grow plants very well even though it is over 4WPG .

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The new model has nearly identical PAR than the original planted +
I've been under the impression it is higher than the planted+, hitting 60 PAR on a 20-high (24" fixture at 16"), that's Ray2 turf...

That said, the 24/7 has a dimmer, so being too strong isn't a big deal if you use it without the 24/7 mode...
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Old 04-14-2015, 03:09 PM   #5
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Yes, that video is where I got the "60 PAR on a 20 high" number from...

That video is, at this point, the *ONLY* par data for the 24/7 out there, so any time anyone is discussing its par it comes from that video...

This will eventually change..

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That said, the same source does have another video showing the Planted+ at ~57 PAR with the same meter and kind of tank...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD7QaRzf1Qw

And the 24/7 is around 60-61 per the above, so I guess that is confirmation they are similar... 5% higher seems negligible...
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Yes I'm aware of the other video also. Some believe the original planted+ will have a slight advantage due to the quality of its red leds. The planted+ is a huge seller and I'm sure they wanted similar par for the 24/7 which is a reason it wouldn't make sense to give it the par of a Ray 2. Not everyone can handle the Ray 2.
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Old 04-15-2015, 04:00 AM   #8
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Well, since the 24/7 has a dimming capacity, it wouldn't be a problem if it had Ray2 level PAR output.. if it is too much, just turn it down (assuming you're not using 24/7 mode).

And the same argument on the Ray2's par also applies to the Planted+.. Not all tanks can handle a Planted+ either (ie: shallow tanks like 20 long...)
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Old 04-16-2015, 11:04 PM   #9
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The heatsink is of the lower quality Stingray correct?

I wish I could compare it in person to the Current USA Satellite LED+ so I could see how tunable the color is.
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Well, quality is a subjective thing...

That said, from the pictures, and video reviews the 24/7 seems to be based on the same black aluminum body as the stingray, or some slightly modified version of it. It is possible they widened it a little bit as the 24/7 has 3 LEDs in each row, while the stingray only has one, but I don't think that they had to.

I own both a 30" planted+ and a 20" stingray, so I can compare the body designs of those competently, and you probably can at your own LFS too.

In terms of acting as a heatsink, the body of the planted+ has a lot more surface area, but it is unfortunately silver, not black. Without forced airflow, this is a major efficiency disadvantage, as it greatly reduces the emissivity of the surface. I don't think the old design has a huge advantage in total heat dissipation capacity.

I think the stingray is overall a more attractive package, being sleek and black, but that's also subjective. The Planted+ looks more solid, but realistically it just has a larger aluminum tube. The body of the fixture is essentially hollow with nothing significant in it, just the switches and a few wires going to the LED board. (yes, I have dismantled my planted+).
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Old 04-17-2015, 04:29 AM   #11
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Thank you all for your responses, I have been reading them but didn't have much to add. Just didn't want anyone to think I didn't appreciate their input......

PS: I so hope they release the 24\7 before may 15, it is painful looking at the USA led everyday while trying to wait for the 24/7.
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While I'd love for them to put it out sooner, I'd be very surprised if they were able to pull it off... Who knows, maybe they'll go out a couple days early, but I very much doubt they'll be significantly earlier than May 15.

As for the Current USA products.. well, I hate that too, but I also hate wishing the Sat+ had more PAR and the Sat+ Pro had a lower price tag.
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Old 05-06-2015, 10:39 PM   #13
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Well, quality is a subjective thing...

That said, from the pictures, and video reviews the 24/7 seems to be based on the same black aluminum body as the stingray, or some slightly modified version of it. It is possible they widened it a little bit as the 24/7 has 3 LEDs in each row, while the stingray only has one, but I don't think that they had to.

Ok, going back to an older thread, since I made an inaccurate assumption here.

I can confirm the 24/7 chassis looks to be based on the same ideas as the stingray design, but it not the same.

For starters, the 24/7 is considerably wider, I'm guessing they did that to fit the electronics and/or improve heat dissipation:

24/7: 3 5/16" wide
stingray: 2" wide

Also, with the stingray the edges are thinner than the middle portion where the lights are. Thus, when viewed from the side you see an edge, then further in you see the edge of the light-cover sticking down a bit.

The 24/7 has edge segments that are as thick as the section holding the lights, so viewed from the edge you only see one surface, and in general the fit and finish is a bit different.

But the differences, beyond the width, are small refinements.
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Old 05-07-2015, 12:07 AM   #14
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I'm skeptical of the may 15th date. I think even Finnex confirmed that the dock strikes are holding things up...arggh I can't wait for mine either!
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I'm dying to get mine... I will be ordering mine this Friday but I really hope that they don't push the date again. I am super excited to get this light and waiting is killing me slowly haha.
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