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Old 08-20-2010, 04:59 PM   #31
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If you are gonna spend the money for the koriola why not spend the extra few bucks and get an emperor 280. It will offer an equal amount of flow but also filtration, even if you toss the carbon pad and cut a 100 micron filter to size and use it as a water polisher.
You mean instead of getting a powerhead just dish out a few more bucks and get a 2nd filter other than the canister filter? I guess that makes sense...? Extra filtration plus still works like a powerhead o_0..
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Old 08-20-2010, 05:04 PM   #32
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How big of a powerhead should i get? How many GPH (if i go with the powerhead)? Should i go with maybe two smaller ones or just get one bigger one..
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Old 08-20-2010, 05:43 PM   #33
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Dude! Make up your mind.
2 smaller power heads would work. Like I said though, I would set the tank up waaaaaay easier though, get the eheim, put the intake in the center, have the spray bar coming across the top (about 3-4" off the top of the tank angled down very slightyl to have a bit of movement along the bottom. On the other side I would have the emperor 280 setup with the short intake instead of the super long one, this way debris is removed from 2 heights of the tank, the emperor moves a TON of water, I would say go this way mate.
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Old 08-20-2010, 05:58 PM   #34
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I'm huge fan of the koralias... the low pressure, high flow of propeller-style pumps is great for completely circulating water. On top of that, in my experience the fish love swimming in the flow.

You can pick up one of the new Koralia 750s for 23 bucks. I'm going to respectfully disagree with f22, as the koralia will put out literally over twice the flow of an emperor 280 for half the price.
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Old 08-20-2010, 06:07 PM   #35
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They have a Marineland emperor thats for up to 80 gallons.. would one of those be sufficient? 400 GPH?
http://www.petco.com/product/5541/Ma...FishFC_Filters
If you are going to run CO2, you would want to remove the Bio Wheel. It will off gas CO2.
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Old 08-20-2010, 06:15 PM   #36
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$150 on sand? I'd rethink that part if you are on a budget.
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Old 08-20-2010, 07:02 PM   #37
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@Indignation,

it doesn't remove anything, it just blows crap around the tank

$38 for a nasty filter system is better than $23 to push water around, in my book...

agree to disagree?

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Old 08-20-2010, 07:04 PM   #38
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i mean at that point its better to spend the extra $12 and get the emperor 400 and really go nuts with both flow and filtration don't ya think?

besides, those pumps sitting in the tank are FUGLY
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i mean at that point its better to spend the extra $12 and get the emperor 400 and really go nuts with both flow and filtration don't ya think?

besides, those pumps sitting in the tank are FUGLY
Now, we definitely can agree to disagree on that!

I HATE the look of HOBs, i think they clutter the tank. While a big ole' powerhead sitting in the tank isn't pretty either, at least you can hide it with hardscape. I put my Koralias behind driftwood and stands of stem plants, so it's not visible at all.

I definitely agree with more filtration the better, just wasn't sure how much total tank circulation he would get with a HOB and 2217.
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Old 08-20-2010, 07:56 PM   #40
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emperor 400-400gph
eheim 2217- 264gph

even with the eheim scaled back after it gets dirty and seasoned lets say it loses half the flow, that leaves us 132gph, + 400 from the emperor and we are at about 532gph, that is plenty of flow for a 75g tank. I have that much flow on my 90g cichlid tank

as far as the look, i suppose thats personal choice. I do the same thing where i camoflauge the filter behind stuff and it works great, a driftwood chunk with "arms" is a great way to disguse the extension tube from a HOB filter... Like i said though, i don't see a point in moving water to not clean it
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Old 08-20-2010, 08:06 PM   #41
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Ill have to agree with F22 .. although indignation is right.. its pretty easy to hide a powerhead behind a rock or some plants or something..
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Old 08-21-2010, 02:37 AM   #42
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Hey what do you guys think about Aqueon fish tanks? i was offered a "75 gallon black tank with pine stand, glass canopy, and 48 inch deluxe strip light w/bulb" for 349.99 which is what petsmart is charging only theirs a top fin stand and tank.. Wats better? top fin or aqueon? the 350 is actually only like 250$ or so because if i dont spend the money i make on ebay, its going into my dads business acct which he has to pay like 50% taxes on soo yea.. id prefer spending money on paypal than cash.
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Old 08-21-2010, 03:11 AM   #43
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The lighting bites, but its a good deal. Pm me, I may be able to do better I run a pet store in N.NJ
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Old 08-21-2010, 05:23 AM   #44
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I hope so =D.
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Old 08-21-2010, 06:44 AM   #45
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Heya, whats a good but not too expensive subtrate? http://www.petco.com/product/111998/...bstrate-111998
Was looking at that.. its a pretty good price and reviews say its OK? what do you guys think?
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