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Old 08-20-2010, 08:40 AM   #16
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wait.. then where do the hoses for the canister go to/from? you just throw em in through the hood?
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What you described is a sump. That is indeed a pain in the butt, especially for a beginner. It's also completely unnecessary for a freshwater tank, as it's mostly used for saltwater tanks.

A canister filter sits under the stand, with hoses running up to plastic (or glass) tubes that hang over the edge into the aquarium. The water goes in one pipe, down a tube, through the filter, than back up another hose and though a pipe into the aquarium. They are very easy to set up, zero drilling required.
Here is an example of a very small canister filter on a 5 gallon tank for reference...

Credit to Chase127 on here.

These things literally take ten minutes to install. No tools needed.

As far as price goes... get out of petsmart, and start looking online! Petsmart is fine for buying the tank and stand, but their prices on equipment is not great. check out big al's, foster and smith, thatpetplace. You can pick up an eheim 2217 for $140 shipped on big als.The 2217 is an amazing filter, it works great and is uber-reliable.
but if you wanted 2 canisters, you might want to check out the Sun Sun filters. they are basically a cheaper chinese filter, but supposedly are working quite well for lots of people on here. Here is a link to a thread reviewing them.

Finally... xmas' idea isn't a bad one. Have you thought about getting a smaller tank and really getting a feel for the hobby before you invest in a big set-up? A 20 gallon high or a 40 gallon breeder are good starter tanks to make lots of mistakes with, (you will make mistakes, we all do) and they are easier to maintain and correct problems in.
That said, if your heart is set on a 75 gallon, by all means get it. Especially if you have an understanding mother... as you get older, you might find girlfriends/wives have a much lower tolerance for that much water in their house.
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Old 08-20-2010, 08:47 AM   #18
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What you described is a sump. That is indeed a pain in the butt, especially for a beginner. It's also completely unnecessary for a freshwater tank, as it's mostly used for saltwater tanks.

A canister filter sits under the stand, with hoses running up to plastic (or glass) tubes that hang over the edge into the aquarium. The water goes in one pipe, down a tube, through the filter, than back up another hose and though a pipe into the aquarium. They are very easy to set up, zero drilling required.
Here is an example of a very small canister filter on a 5 gallon tank for reference...

Credit to Chase127 on here.

These things literally take ten minutes to install. No tools needed.

As far as price goes... get out of petsmart, and start looking online! Petsmart is fine for buying the tank and stand, but their prices on equipment is not great. check out big al's, foster and smith, thatpetplace. You can pick up an eheim 2217 for $140 shipped on big als.The 2217 is an amazing filter, it works great and is uber-reliable.
but if you wanted 2 canisters, you might want to check out the Sun Sun filters. they are basically a cheaper chinese filter, but supposedly are working quite well for lots of people on here. Here is a link to a thread reviewing them.

Finally... xmas' idea isn't a bad one. Have you thought about getting a smaller tank and really getting a feel for the hobby before you invest in a big set-up? A 20 gallon high or a 40 gallon breeder are good starter tanks to make lots of mistakes with, (you will make mistakes, we all do) and they are easier to maintain and correct problems in.
That said, if your heart is set on a 75 gallon, by all means get it. Especially if you have an understanding mother... as you get older, you might find girlfriends/wives have a much lower tolerance for that much water in their house.
Haha ive had tanks for years.. just never really did any research regarding em.. Had a 1.5 gallon for 3 or 4 years.. then stepped it up to a 10 gallon for 3 years.. now ive got my 37 Gallon which ive had for about 2 years.
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Old 08-20-2010, 08:48 AM   #19
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Haha ive had tanks for years.. just never really did any research regarding em.. Had a 1.5 gallon for 3 or 4 years.. then stepped it up to a 10 gallon for 3 years.. now ive got my 37 Gallon which ive had for about 2 years.
with no knowledge of filtration til now?
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Old 08-20-2010, 08:49 AM   #20
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Oh, and i wanted 2 filters because the normal power filters generally only go up to 70 gallons, so i figured i would just get two of them for a 75 gallon.. I would think that one canister filter is enough for a 75 gallon, right? ill check out that eheim 2217. Is one of those enough for a 75g? Planning on having maybe 36 neon tetras and a few others or something.
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Old 08-20-2010, 08:50 AM   #21
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with no knowledge of filtration til now?
Pretty much, when it comes to canister filters. Never bothered to learn about em' as i never had one and didnt think i would ever get the chance to need one =). Thants why im here.. lol if i knew about canister filters, i wouldnt be on this forum .
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You could get away with a single 2217 on a 75g, if you added a powerhead of two for extra flow. plants need lots of water moving past them to be healthy.
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Old 08-20-2010, 09:01 AM   #23
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http://www.bigalsonline.com/BigAlsUS...ter2217pluskit
That 2217 comes with the intake and everything right? No need to buy other tubes/pipes or anything? Indig can you include a link to a suggested powerhead? Might need help setting this thing up too haha.
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Haha it comes with everything you need. Ill make you an offer that I leave open for everyone else, if you get a 2217 pm me and ill send you my work number and tell you over the phone how to set it up.
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Old 08-20-2010, 02:14 PM   #25
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Haha deal.
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One reason I prefer the AquaClear HOBs is that you don't have to replace any filter cartridges, especially if you use Purigen instead of the carbon bag.

You won't regret getting a 2217, though you'll probably still need a few powerheads for more flow once the filter seasons (flow slows down) and the plants fill in.
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Old 08-20-2010, 04:30 PM   #27
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What power head would you suggest getting, assuming i dont want to have to buy a new one every week .
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Also, what substrate would you suggest? Im looking for a lighter color.. tans/browns.. should i just stick with natural rocks?
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I don't use powerheads, but Koralias usually have a good rep.

Turface would probably be right up your alley, and very affordable. Comes in a tan color and would be superior nutrient content and CEC over plain gravel.
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If you are gonna spend the money for the koriola why not spend the extra few bucks and get an emperor 280. It will offer an equal amount of flow but also filtration, even if you toss the carbon pad and cut a 100 micron filter to size and use it as a water polisher.
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