http://fishneedit.com/3ft4bulbs-with-l34.html from fishneedit.com OR http://www.catalinaaquarium.com/product_info.php?cPath=71_136&products_id=1417 from catalinaaquarium.com or do you know somewhere better?? its gonna go to a 30" tall tank and im planning to go all way (co2 and all LOL):biggrin: i know the stuff from fish need it is ALOT more cheaper but has anyone actually tried it?? any reviews??? any opinions are welcome:biggrin: thanks so much