Things look better. Did 100% change. Will find out more later. Measured homemade general blend and an iron blend. Fish look better. Wow, they didn't like something.
Good point. My grow tanks are set up outside my house. I siphoned water down to 3 inches or so and at the same time hosed in fresh well water for 15 minutes. I then filled tank back up. Did this twice. So more like 90% change. So drastic turn over.
Guppies didn't really show too much distress but sams and otos where in trouble.
Person I got the fert from mixes dry blends of fert with water. Will ask later what it could be.
Wait a minute here. I am not a serial fish killer. I do not get thrills watching fish labor while I pour 2 lbs. of granular palm special into the tank. The product I used was home made yes but carefuly meausered and put into 1 gallon plastic containers in liquid form and then I dumped it into the tank.
To prove or disprove the 100% theory one would need to tint the water with color and then see how long it would take with flow through system to clear water.
Fish are 100% better by the way. I just poured in way too much fertilizer formula. I was lucky.
You don't need a flow through system to test this. Just get a five gallon bucket, tint the water with color and then see how many 50% water changes it takes to clear it.
You don't need a flow through system to test this. Just get a five gallon bucket, tint the water with color and then see how many 50% water changes it takes to clear it.
Yes, but that would not be true to my case. I siphoned 3/4 or 15 gallons of the water from 20 gallon tank. I then left siphon going but added new water to hold water line at given level. I did this for 15 minutes, removed siphon and topped off tank.
So we need to figure with a continuous flow for 15 minutes dilution factor on 5 gallons. Guessing the volume of water from hose is 2 gallons/minute, that would 30 gallons replacing 5 gallons of dirty water. Then subtract the additional 15 gallons of top off water. Holy smokes....
Same idea.....The advantages I have are I do a 25% water change daily, plant tanks are on the exterior of house so water mess no problem. I have great well water and natural light for plants. But I like to tinker with stuff for no reason and it gets me into trouble.
Good point and interesting....thanks. Not sure which macro N P K element was burning the fish gills or was it a micronutrient like Fe? Will figure out.
It was about dosing an unknown amount of unknown fertilizers into a random tank and expecting good things to happen, after which it then degraded to a quasi scientific discussion on whether or not 100% water changes were possible. Then, the thread went full retard. You never go full retard.
Exactly, I got to be more consistent, no more full retard. I go anal on some stuff but when a friend hands me his mix I just pour it in the tabelspoon full with no plan of attack... just really stupid of me. I don't want to tell you what I do for a living.lol's
The more I read the more it seems to be pointing toward the Nitrogen.
King Kong, what specifically did you actually add to your tank?
I've dosed 10x the suggested amounts for ferts and not had any adverse effects.
Eg,
150-200 ppm NO3
150ppm K+
50ppm for PO4
10 ppm for Fe(as a mix of CMS+B).
GH- 10 degrees additional
I loss some Amano shrimp after a week or so........but it may have been something else.
Dosing a nitrogen ferts with NH4 in there............that's a good way to kill fish. But as long as the daily dosing does not exceed say 0.5-0.8ppm and the tank is packed full of healthy plants, you can be okay.
Ferts are salts. Fish can tolerate a fair amount relative to the dosing we add. They cannot handle high levels of copper(but even at 10X, the CMS+B will not get there or for shrimp)) and NH4, but otherwise the ferts dosing is fairly tolerant to fish.
The dude that made the formula is on vacation so next week I will have the ingredients.. It had to be this stuff because nothing new was added. I bet I used at least 100 x too much but we got to wait.
Thinking salt, I do have a salt meter I use for medication in pond, never thought of using that. I do have an empty tank so might try out to see if meter picks up fertilizer added.
The rest of the story. The portion of NPK used should be 1 ounce per 10 gallons once a week as per directions, 50% water change between. Well I did not measure one and two I probably put in 10x that amount 2 days in a row. The plants loved it, the fish darn near expired.
Double stupid....
What did I learn?
I made a killer fitting that goes on the suction side of my siphon. I got baby gups so must filter when doing massive water changes.
Learn to read directions too.
Best experience is to learn from your own mistakes!
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