Mystery Black Bar Endler appears

Alplily · 07-02-2012, 09:32 PM

OK, somehow, a black bar endler appeared in my tank. The only fish I had in there breeding are supposed to be pure Japan Blue Guppies. It can't be possible that I got a black bar from impure Japan blues, can it? They are different species for crying out loud. Is it possible a tiny fry ended up in a baggy with a recent fish purchase (I got some ottos)? I am baffled.

SirGrizz · 07-02-2012, 09:44 PM

post a pic?

the only explination would be that it came with the other fish and you just didnt see it

Alplily · 07-02-2012, 09:53 PM

I will try for a photo, but he is quite small and my camera likely not up to the task. Now that I think of it, I also moved those ottos from one tank to another, so it is less likely that the endler made both trips.

steven p · 07-02-2012, 10:10 PM

How long have you had the guppies and do you know anything about their breeders stock? What lines were crossed and how many generations ago?

Willamette · 07-02-2012, 10:21 PM

Endlers and guppies are getting too crossbred...

DishyFishy · 07-02-2012, 10:41 PM

I've heard of and had disappearing fish, but never appearing ones!

Alplily · 07-02-2012, 11:25 PM

I just emailed the supplier I got the Japan blues from (I thought I had erased all info!). Hopefully he will help to solve the mystery. And yes, endlers and guppies are interbreeding too often--I wish people would be more careful. I tried to get a pure line of Japan blues and will be a little disappointed if I didn't. But it is still interesting!

My guppies have been in that tank since they arrived May 24.

JoeD323 · 07-03-2012, 12:16 AM

Were the females virgins when you got them? Most likely not, but its an idea...you don't know if the guy accidentally got a few Endler's males into his Japan Blue stock and they mated with one of your females or even if you received a young female Endler's by accident...all possibilities.

Joe

Alplily · 07-03-2012, 12:17 AM

I cannot get a clear photo of the little guy, but he looks very much like this (the one in front) although he is not in full color yet.

somewhatshocked · 07-03-2012, 01:06 AM

Added any plants lately?

Possible that the little guy came in as a hitch hiker that way, too.

Alplily · 07-03-2012, 01:32 AM

Nope, no new plants.

This is what the guy I bought them from says:
"Hi... Very interesting. I really do not know how or why this could have happened. I did have some black bar Endlers but they were kept outside in my greenhouse & never were in my fish room. Unless the guy I got them from crossed them through Endlers at some time. I had the Japan Blues for a while & this never happened to any fry I had..."

Well, he's a cute little bugger anyway. Guess I'll just be happy about it.

somewhatshocked · 07-03-2012, 02:22 AM

I'm betting he somehow contaminated his tanks with Black Bars without realizing it.

07-02-2012, 09:32 PM	#1
Alplily Planted Tank Obsessed (View User Tanks) PTrader: (8/100%) Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Estes Park, CO, USA Posts: 311	Mystery Black Bar Endler appears OK, somehow, a black bar endler appeared in my tank. The only fish I had in there breeding are supposed to be pure Japan Blue Guppies. It can't be possible that I got a black bar from impure Japan blues, can it? They are different species for crying out loud. Is it possible a tiny fry ended up in a baggy with a recent fish purchase (I got some ottos)? I am baffled. __________________ 37 gallon community; 10 gallon S-SS CRS; 2x10 gallon guppies; Specialties: Japan blue guppies (wild type), Ginga sulfureus guppies, Blond platinum LS guppies with purple mutation. Non-aquatics: Off-track thoroughbred racehorse; 2 Maine Coon-type cats; 70 orchid plants.

07-02-2012, 09:53 PM	#3
Alplily Planted Tank Obsessed (View User Tanks) PTrader: (8/100%) Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Estes Park, CO, USA Posts: 311	I will try for a photo, but he is quite small and my camera likely not up to the task. Now that I think of it, I also moved those ottos from one tank to another, so it is less likely that the endler made both trips. __________________ 37 gallon community; 10 gallon S-SS CRS; 2x10 gallon guppies; Specialties: Japan blue guppies (wild type), Ginga sulfureus guppies, Blond platinum LS guppies with purple mutation. Non-aquatics: Off-track thoroughbred racehorse; 2 Maine Coon-type cats; 70 orchid plants.

07-02-2012, 11:25 PM	#7
Alplily Planted Tank Obsessed (View User Tanks) PTrader: (8/100%) Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Estes Park, CO, USA Posts: 311	I just emailed the supplier I got the Japan blues from (I thought I had erased all info!). Hopefully he will help to solve the mystery. And yes, endlers and guppies are interbreeding too often--I wish people would be more careful. I tried to get a pure line of Japan blues and will be a little disappointed if I didn't. But it is still interesting! My guppies have been in that tank since they arrived May 24. __________________ 37 gallon community; 10 gallon S-SS CRS; 2x10 gallon guppies; Specialties: Japan blue guppies (wild type), Ginga sulfureus guppies, Blond platinum LS guppies with purple mutation. Non-aquatics: Off-track thoroughbred racehorse; 2 Maine Coon-type cats; 70 orchid plants.

07-03-2012, 12:17 AM	#9
Alplily Planted Tank Obsessed (View User Tanks) PTrader: (8/100%) Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Estes Park, CO, USA Posts: 311	I cannot get a clear photo of the little guy, but he looks very much like this (the one in front) although he is not in full color yet. Attached Images __________________ 37 gallon community; 10 gallon S-SS CRS; 2x10 gallon guppies; Specialties: Japan blue guppies (wild type), Ginga sulfureus guppies, Blond platinum LS guppies with purple mutation. Non-aquatics: Off-track thoroughbred racehorse; 2 Maine Coon-type cats; 70 orchid plants.

07-03-2012, 01:06 AM	#10
somewhatshocked Obsessed? Maybe (View User Tanks) PTrader: (262/100%) Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,636	Added any plants lately? Possible that the little guy came in as a hitch hiker that way, too. __________________ 12gal Long \| 20L Shrimp Tanks \| 3gal Longs \| 10gal \| 45-F \| 5.5gal Tigers \| 20cm Cubes

07-02-2012, 09:44 PM	#2
SirGrizz Algae Grower (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0/0%) Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Miami Posts: 38	post a pic? the only explination would be that it came with the other fish and you just didnt see it

07-02-2012, 10:10 PM	#4
steven p Wannabe Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0/0%) Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: columbus, ne Posts: 1,057	How long have you had the guppies and do you know anything about their breeders stock? What lines were crossed and how many generations ago?

07-02-2012, 10:21 PM	#5
Willamette Planted Member (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0/0%) Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Corvallis, OR Posts: 180	Endlers and guppies are getting too crossbred...

07-02-2012, 10:41 PM	#6
DishyFishy Planted Tank Obsessed (View User Tanks) PTrader: (1/100%) Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: SC Posts: 471	I've heard of and had disappearing fish, but never appearing ones!

07-03-2012, 12:16 AM	#8
JoeD323 Planted Member (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0/0%) Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Ft Lauderdale Posts: 165	Were the females virgins when you got them? Most likely not, but its an idea...you don't know if the guy accidentally got a few Endler's males into his Japan Blue stock and they mated with one of your females or even if you received a young female Endler's by accident...all possibilities. Joe

07-03-2012, 01:32 AM	#11
Alplily Planted Tank Obsessed (View User Tanks) PTrader: (8/100%) Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Estes Park, CO, USA Posts: 311	Nope, no new plants. This is what the guy I bought them from says: "Hi... Very interesting. I really do not know how or why this could have happened. I did have some black bar Endlers but they were kept outside in my greenhouse & never were in my fish room. Unless the guy I got them from crossed them through Endlers at some time. I had the Japan Blues for a while & this never happened to any fry I had..." Well, he's a cute little bugger anyway. Guess I'll just be happy about it. __________________ 37 gallon community; 10 gallon S-SS CRS; 2x10 gallon guppies; Specialties: Japan blue guppies (wild type), Ginga sulfureus guppies, Blond platinum LS guppies with purple mutation. Non-aquatics: Off-track thoroughbred racehorse; 2 Maine Coon-type cats; 70 orchid plants.

07-03-2012, 02:22 AM	#12
somewhatshocked Obsessed? Maybe (View User Tanks) PTrader: (262/100%) Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,636	I'm betting he somehow contaminated his tanks with Black Bars without realizing it. __________________ 12gal Long \| 20L Shrimp Tanks \| 3gal Longs \| 10gal \| 45-F \| 5.5gal Tigers \| 20cm Cubes

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