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Old 06-19-2014, 06:10 PM   #1
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n00b needs help with lights and plant selection


I am setting up a 90g tank soon that will be my first planted tank. I want to try and keep it simple and low tech, with only occasional dosing and no CO2. I plan to use at least one Eheim 2217, if the need is there, I'll get a second. My planned inhabitants are a few leopard bushfish, some rams, hatchetfish, and maybe a school of rummynose tetras.

I want a carpet of some plant, but from what I gather that's not too likely to happen in a 90 without CO2. Any recommendations on something likely to thrive would be awesome!

My main question though is light. It's hard to start planning that without knowing exactly what plants I want, and I want to make sure all of the plants have the right light. It seems like an impossible chicken and egg scenario. All of my other tanks just have LED lights, so I've never had to worry about fixtures or the like before, just simple visibility. If anybody could help, I would really appreciate it!
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Old 06-19-2014, 09:55 PM   #2
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here is my 75g, all low tech no co2 but i do use dry ferts. as you can see i carpeted with dwarf sagittaria, i love it.




here is a list of my plants:
- Anubius Barteri
- Anubius Petite
- Java Fern
- Lace Fern
- Java Moss
- Christmas Moss
- Flame Moss
- Cryptocoryne Parva
- Cryptocoryne Wendtti
- Najas Guadalupensis
- Hygroryza Aristata
- Cardimine Lyrata
- Asian Ambulia
- Dwarf Sagittaria
- Rotala Rotundifolia
- Rotala Macrandra Green
- Bacopa Caroliniana
- Micranthemum Umbrosum
- Pennywort
- Jungle Val
- Hygrophilia Sunset
- Hygrophilia Compacta

all of which grow well.

any questions just ask.
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Old 06-20-2014, 04:04 AM   #3
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here is my 75g, all low tech no co2 but i do use dry ferts. as you can see i carpeted with dwarf sagittaria, i love it.




here is a list of my plants:
- Anubius Barteri
- Anubius Petite
- Java Fern
- Lace Fern
- Java Moss
- Christmas Moss
- Flame Moss
- Cryptocoryne Parva
- Cryptocoryne Wendtti
- Najas Guadalupensis
- Hygroryza Aristata
- Cardimine Lyrata
- Asian Ambulia
- Dwarf Sagittaria
- Rotala Rotundifolia
- Rotala Macrandra Green
- Bacopa Caroliniana
- Micranthemum Umbrosum
- Pennywort
- Jungle Val
- Hygrophilia Sunset
- Hygrophilia Compacta

all of which grow well.

any questions just ask.
what light is that???
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Old 06-20-2014, 06:58 AM   #4
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I'm sticking with T5HOs for big tanks till LEDs come down in price more for the bigger fixtures.

This is what I'll probably put over my own 90gal when I replace the fixture: http://www.catalinaaquarium.com/stor...oducts_id=1638

I ran 2x54 watts of T5HO for several years over my 90gal and it was a challenge to maintain without CO2, I could only run about a 6-7 hour photoperiod, which really cut into viewing time. With the fixture above, you could run just 1x54 for most of the viewing time, and then add in a short burst with the other two bulbs for the plants.

You can get plants to carpet in low tech, just need to pick the right species. Marseila minuta, Lilaeopsis mauritiana, dwarf Sag and chain swords are all good options. The picture on the far right in my signature is my 90gal under 2x54 T5HO carpeted with L. mauritiana, no CO2.
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Old 06-20-2014, 12:20 PM   #5
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My light is a finnex planted plus. I find it to be too much light at 17" above substrate. I have since raised it to 21" above and its a lot better. I run it for 8 hours a day
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Old 06-20-2014, 06:42 PM   #6
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Old 06-22-2014, 09:31 PM   #7
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Thank you for the responses! Your tanks are both gorgeous!

Okay, so I was just given a fixture, but it is just for one T5HO, which I take it will not be sufficient. Would it be worth it to get a single other fixture to achieve 2, that way I can keep one on for longer and add the second for the short period, or should I go straight for the 3 bulb fixture? Finances aren't a huge issue, I don't have a problem being patient and saving if it will benefit the fish and plants the most.

I am absolutely in love with downoi, any personal success stories with keeping it in low tech?
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Old 06-22-2014, 11:47 PM   #8
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Thank you for the responses! Your tanks are both gorgeous!

Okay, so I was just given a fixture, but it is just for one T5HO, which I take it will not be sufficient. Would it be worth it to get a single other fixture to achieve 2, that way I can keep one on for longer and add the second for the short period, or should I go straight for the 3 bulb fixture? Finances aren't a huge issue, I don't have a problem being patient and saving if it will benefit the fish and plants the most.

I am absolutely in love with downoi, any personal success stories with keeping it in low tech?
Have had no problem at all growing downoi in my shrimp tank. Par is 25-30, amazonia, tds 130, very little liquid ferts and no co2. It does grow a little taller than in my high tech tank.
good luck,
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Old 06-24-2014, 03:55 AM   #9
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wow, I am so inspired. Researching for my first tank and this looks like what I want to do. Finnex lights? I would need a glass cover though to keep cat out!
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Old 06-24-2014, 03:58 AM   #10
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PS - can you share more info; where did you find the tank and stand (I am having trouble finding), what filter, which Finnex light? Love love love it!!!
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Old 06-24-2014, 10:45 AM   #11
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Built my.own stand. The light came from amazon. Filter is a Eheim canister pro 3 2075 I bought used from kijiji, same with tank. Driftwood came from the shore of lake Ontario.

I bought all my plants via local hobbyist and through an aquarium auction.

All these combined ment me saving a crap load of money which when into fish.


One of the biggest mistakes people make when starting out is providing a very powerful light with not enough plants. They also don't raise it up enough and end up with algae issues.

Another one is buying plants that have some algae on it and don't bother to clean them before putting them in their tanks. Introducing algae early on.
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Old 06-24-2014, 03:20 PM   #12
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moponi, that's a really nice tank!
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