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Old 04-09-2014, 07:13 PM   #16
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Nice set-up Bill
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Old 04-09-2014, 08:18 PM   #17
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Thanks randy!!
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Old 04-09-2014, 08:55 PM   #18
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WOW THIS IS REALLY COOL! i have never seen anything like this. really interesting. may i ask why one must qt frogs from the same supplier?? are there other species in this tank??
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Old 04-09-2014, 09:37 PM   #19
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WOW THIS IS REALLY COOL! i have never seen anything like this. really interesting. may i ask why one must qt frogs from the same supplier?? are there other species in this tank??

Thank you I qt all frogs, no matter who or where they came from. It's a crucial step a lot of people bypass. It allows for me to evaluate their health condition easier. In a minimal tank with paper towel instead of substrate, I can observe if the frogs are eating, and how much they eat. I can also easily see if they are defecating, how much and the condition of the feces. I can also observe their overall physical condition. Do they move normally? Is one sluggish? Are any legs doing strange things, like twitching? That sort of thing. If they are in a live enclosure, you miss out on these things, especially if they are reclusive frogs. And since most frogs are lost within the first 30 days of purchase, it just makes good sense.
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Old 04-09-2014, 09:39 PM   #20
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Oh, and no, it will be just this species frogs. I never mix species. It's a personal choice, not because everyone says not to. I like watching the natural behaviors of the frogs, and you tend to lose some of that when they are stressed by other animals in the tank.
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Old 04-09-2014, 10:11 PM   #21
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That is really really cool. I want one! You did a very good job with the pvc pipe, I thought they were metal.
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Old 04-10-2014, 02:06 PM   #22
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That is really really cool. I want one! You did a very good job with the pvc pipe, I thought they were metal.

Thanks. Fooling people was the plan. go ahead and build one. It's a very easy build
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do you have to do any kind of maintenance to a set up like this?? also, how many frogs per gallon is the general rule of thumb??
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Maintenance is a breeze. I most daily, the fogger keeps humidity where it needs to be. I do a monthly 50% water change, but when the frogs go in permanently, I'll do 50% every other week. Any decal waste is eaten up by the microfauna in the tank (springtails and Isopods)

Rule of thumb is 10 gallons/frog, but I think that is silly, especially when it comes to terrestrial or semi aquatic species. If I have a tank that is 36x18x18, like this one, that's 40 gallons. Going by the 10 gallon rule gives me 4 frogs (obviously), but if I go to a 36x18x24h, that gives me 60 gallons, but the same footprint. But according to the rule of thumb, I can hold 6. But the footprint never changed. If it's a terrestrial species, their livable space never changed and you just over crowded the tank.

I just use common sense. I research the heck out of the species I am going to keep in the tank and I work it out from there. Some frogs may be small, like these guys, but they need a lot of territory. New world darts are the same in that respect.

Hope that wasn't TOO confusing lol
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water change?? is there water in the tank??
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Old 04-10-2014, 03:37 PM   #26
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Yup, about 8 gallons, but there is very little in the actual living space. It's in the front right, here's a pic before I planted that section
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Old 04-25-2014, 12:55 PM   #27
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Wow, that is really cool! Since you are clearly an expert, may I humbly ask a little more about your construction techniques? Is that "Great Stuf" foam, sculpted and painted for the walls? Also, is the tank sealed well around the top to prevent fruit fly escape?

I am pondering a paladarium build for dart frogs. I am a long experienced amateur herpetologist but I am a real novice when it comes to these little jewels. I was going to get some at last Saturday's NH Reptile Expo but I'm glad I didn't. I want to learn more about culturing flies and Dendrobates care before I jump in so to speak. Now I have the summer to execute my build.
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Old 04-25-2014, 10:35 PM   #28
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That is indeed great stuff, covered in Restore concrete refinisher that I tinted with acrylic craft paint.

The top had the original screen removed and i siliconed plexi glass in it's place. I didn't do anything other than that and I don't have any issues with escapees. The best way to avoid that is don't over feed. If there aren't extras running around in the tank, they can't get out


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Old 05-04-2014, 12:53 PM   #29
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I'm a sucker for a cool themed tank. Great job.
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