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Old 04-22-2014, 10:14 AM   #31
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Is it really that unlikely they won't pair off unless you bought them as a pair? I have four in a twenty long that I'd like to have pair off, but I bought them at different times.
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Old 04-22-2014, 05:17 PM   #32
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I bought a male from petsmart and had a female for like 5 months prior. Took about 5 more months but they finally spawned. It can definitely happen

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Old 04-22-2014, 06:41 PM   #33
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I think it's pretty well known that you need to have a pair of Ram's before you introduce them to a tank. Unless you buy them as a pair, or raise them from juveniles, you probably won't end up with a pair.

The balloon trait is a purely aesthetic choice. I understand everyone's opinion on that preference. However, I'd like to defend the practice:

When selectively breeding for aesthetic features, multiple complications can arise. From weak genetic dispositions (susceptible to illness) to practical failure (messed up internal organs, inability to swim/eat). The blood parrot fish is often cited as an example of how horrible this sort of selective breeding can be.

However, the electric blue shimmer of your EBR's has been selectively bred to be that color. Most of the color variants in your fish tank are not the natural occurring color variants you'd find in 'the wild'. Most of us know this, and accept that there can be selective breeding which doesn't hinder of harm the animal. Most color morphs are the result of selective breeding.

Likewise, many people protest the breeding of Pugs and Mastiffs due to the genetic problems that arise from these breeds. These are examples in the canine family which have been selectively bred to the detriment of the animal. Few would argue, however, that a labrador, or golden retriever (or any other healthy dog) is in any immediate danger due to the selective breeding that occurred which resulted in those dogs. There is a large variety of color and size polymorphism that can occur in any particular species. This phenomenon is what results in the natural process of evolution (instead of us choosing our favorable genes, the impartial hand of nature decides).

This is a long winded reply simply to say that my Balloon's don't exhibit and health issues (living for 2 years so far with no problems) nor any practical problems, like being unable to swim properly. These are perfectly healthy fish, and I would encourage anyone from making the argument that it's not natural and therefor, not right, to have these fish, to look at their dog before they make that claim. Ostracizing those that have perfectly good fish which they love and care for makes those people defensive and feeling as though they need to write out long explanations on internet forums for why they love their fish.
Hilarious ending to that we'll thought out intelligent post.

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Old 04-22-2014, 08:06 PM   #34
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Just curious if everyone knows about the breeding of the EB rams... You guys and gals do know that you can't put a male and female EB ram together and expect EB ram babies right? It's just like the EB Jack Dempsey... Like I said, just curious. And for the record, I hate any "Balloon" version of any fish, in case anyone gave a crap lol.

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What do you mean?...."You guys and gals do know that you can't put a male and female EB ram together and expect EB ram babies right?" I have a pair of EB's that I expected had already formed a pair at the LFS and they spawn every three weeks or so in my tank once I brought them home (starting about a week later), or do you mean random M/F? I am not familiar with EB Jack Dempsey breeding traits. Although, I they've never been successful at raising them, so pls enlighten me. Or do you mean I would get mixed fry, some EB some german rams?

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Old 04-22-2014, 08:11 PM   #35
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I bought 2 gold rams (males) from my LFS and a month and a half later after realizing I had 2 males and not 1m1f, I went and purchased 2 blue females. The gold ram and blue ram in my 29g spawned a week later, paired up a few weeks after that and are currently going through round 3 of eggs.

The other 2 went into my 55g community together. Sadly, there was a accident and my male gold ram died, femal is doing fine. I'm waiting on the EBR order to come in at my lfs and I'll be putting a male in the 55g, we'll see if they pair up.
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Old 04-23-2014, 03:35 AM   #36
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I Have 2 me GBRs and added 3 females last Thursday and already have a pair that spawned last night. Maybe I just got lucky who knows. I am interested to see which gene will prevail as the male is a balloon ram and the female is not. I'm the king the fry will not be balloon rams as that is most likely the recessive gene.

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Old 04-23-2014, 06:13 AM   #37
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Old 04-23-2014, 06:17 AM   #38
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My male electric blue from my breeding pair.
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Old 04-23-2014, 02:07 PM   #39
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What do you mean?...."You guys and gals do know that you can't put a male and female EB ram together and expect EB ram babies right?" I have a pair of EB's that I expected had already formed a pair at the LFS and they spawn every three weeks or so in my tank once I brought them home (starting about a week later), or do you mean random M/F? I am not familiar with EB Jack Dempsey breeding traits. Although, I they've never been successful at raising them, so pls enlighten me. Or do you mean I would get mixed fry, some EB some german rams?
By this, I mean that no, they do not breed true. You need to have a male EBR and a female Gold, that hopefully has enough of the traits to get you more EBRs.
That is a reason they were so pricey when they came out (I sold them for damn near $50 a peice 5 years ago) People bought pairs, I tried to explain, and then they were upset that they got gold babies.
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Old 04-23-2014, 10:27 PM   #41
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Totally not aware of that, I find the whole gene thing interesting, researched it with angelfish, but never knew rams would be different. That is a disappointment, although I really like the gold ones too, I was hoping I could make more $$$. Oh well.
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Old 04-24-2014, 12:59 AM   #42
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By this, I mean that no, they do not breed true. You need to have a male EBR and a female Gold, that hopefully has enough of the traits to get you more EBRs.
That is a reason they were so pricey when they came out (I sold them for damn near $50 a peice 5 years ago) People bought pairs, I tried to explain, and then they were upset that they got gold babies.
I couldn't find anything to support that, only that two recessive genes make a dominant, like the pearlscale trait in angelfish. Do you have a link I could check?
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I tried to find an article but apparently I missed something. It does, however, state that they have breeding problems, as a lot of them are not fertile, or have some mixed batches...Maybe the strain has gotten stronger in 4 years, but many suggest crossing them back with a gold or blue, with 2 pairs, then using 2 of the offspring to get a more solid gene pool. Let us know if you have any luck with them.
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Thank so much for posting back, they spawned last night, so here goes. I still excited!!!
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No problem, good luck and let us know what happens with them!
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