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Old 01-12-2014, 07:59 PM   #1
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Stocking ideas for Moat Pond around a garden


I'm gonna build a pond that will be surrounding a 10 ft circle garden it will be 3 ft wide and 3 ft deep it will have 3 feet around it to walk around and have access to all parts of it. around the access area will be a short picket fence (to keep my dogs out) and will have a gate to access the access area lol. I'm probably going to make a small wooden arch bridge so the garden in the center will be accessible. I live in Washington so nothing should need tons of sun, and should be able to handle sun all summer long w/ out rain. I haven't done ponds before and am a newbie so i want advice on what fish/ plants/ lights maybe for night???/ and filtration I should get. I think the pond i described would be like 2500 gallons. Also if i need to i could make the moat wider by a foot possibly two but no more. I will attach a pic of my idea generally if i wasn't clear enough. I'd like to have something big like koi or goldfish, plants so filtration is easier, and smaller fish like cherry shrimp or minnows maybe crayfish (probably not), and a lighting system so i can see it at night. Ideas???
I also don't care if the fish would eat the shrimp as long as they wouldn't decimate the population because i'm going to breed shrimp in a 10 gal so i could just put all my culled shrimp in there instead of selling, giving them away, or feeding them to my clown loaches.
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Old 01-12-2014, 09:46 PM   #2
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This is an awesome idea, maybe some sort of solar lights that come at night. What's it the garden? Do an Asian theme with the bridge and have a cherry blossom tree on the island.
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Does anybody have any ideas?
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Old 01-13-2014, 07:17 AM   #6
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loaches would be your best bet for fish you live in washington and the water I can assume gets very cold very fast. Loaches and goldfish are some of the Cold water speices of fish. As for filteration you could use any pond canister filter. And you need a lot of heaters so the water temp can stay stable. As for plants go to this website http://www.aquariumplants.com/Cool_W...lants_s/19.htm
Those are all cool water aquairum plants. Designing it s all up to you. Whatever tickles your fancy.
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Your pond volume is 687 gallons, the dimensions not suitable for adult koi (20+") goldfish or shubunkin might cope, nowhere near so demanding on water quality.

The symmetric moat design may be unrealistic to do unless you are a dab hand with precision forme work and pouring concrete, though it will likely shatter with cracks given a hard winter freeze. It may be more realistic to make an 8' circular pond and position some decking in the middle...

There's plenty of hardy aquatic plants suitable and easy to find, the smaller less invasive ones. Waterlilies, iris, marginal plants, submerged aquatics, though be wary of the junk plants being peddled on [Ebay Link Removed] Wretched place to find suitable plants...

Most aquarium plants are not likely to cope with a harsh winter, prolonged ice cover with snow blocking light

Solar and 12v LED lights would turn out well
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Old 01-13-2014, 11:53 AM   #8
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If you can make a deep area 4' you should be able to winter them over. This could be done with a pond liner however, it will be a a cut & glue/weld challenge.

If there is a Asian market with fresh fish you may find weather loaches sold as food by the pound. These will be lager fish than seen in the LFS.

If you have Great Blue Herons out there or other large fishing birds. Common commet gold fish might be a better choice.

This is at the top of my Lotto Win dream list, a moat around my house.
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I'd order mosquito fish every spring.

As for plants, lotus is always pretty. Creeping jenny is a wetland/margin plant that grows both underwater an on the land.
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Old 01-13-2014, 03:06 PM   #10
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My winters aren't hard at all usually we have a period of a week maybe two where the temp is under 32 the rest of the winter/fall it stays mid 40s
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Your pond volume is 687 gallons, the dimensions not suitable for adult koi (20+") goldfish or shubunkin might cope, nowhere near so demanding on water quality.

The symmetric moat design may be unrealistic to do unless you are a dab hand with precision forme work and pouring concrete, though it will likely shatter with cracks given a hard winter freeze. It may be more realistic to make an 8' circular pond and position some decking in the middle...

There's plenty of hardy aquatic plants suitable and easy to find, the smaller less invasive ones. Waterlilies, iris, marginal plants, submerged aquatics, though be wary of the junk plants being peddled on [Ebay Link Removed] Wretched place to find suitable plants...

Most aquarium plants are not likely to cope with a harsh winter, prolonged ice cover with snow blocking light

Solar and 12v LED lights would turn out well
Check your math area of a 192 inch diameter circle is 28938 inches square then you do that - area of a circle with 120 inch diameter area (11304) is 17634 then that x inches tall (36) = 634832 inches cubed /231 inches cubed per gallon = 2748 gallons
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This type of pond would be quite a feat! I've never built a pond but maintain one as it came with the house. I really love it in the summer! I don't think pond liners would work well unless you plan to waste most of a very large sheet of it by cutting out the middle. Attaching sections of liner together to form the ring seems like a recipe for disaster long term. I know people do it for streams and have to be very careful about it. I have to say your idea would look awesome though.

My pond is supposedly ~2400g but I've yet to measure it myself. It came with "feeder comets" that have inhabited the pond for 7+ years and they are 8" or more in size. That is a cheap route to get started and have a larger number. I enjoy the coloration of Shubunkins so I added a few last summer as well as 2 koi. For me I wouldn't do more than 2 koi and I may be pushing it already, I wish my pond had more volume and less "ledges".
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Old 01-13-2014, 06:21 PM   #13
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Different but the same....kind of..

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I used:

http://ncalculators.com/area-volume/...calculator.htm

5 ft circle (19 sq ft) subtracted from 8' circle (50 sq ft) gives 30.6 sq ft pond area
x3 (ft deep) to arrive at 91cubic foot
91 cubic foot = 687 gallons US
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Old 01-14-2014, 02:30 AM   #15
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687 gallons looks correct. Filtering a ring pond / moat would be problematic. Very nice idea but might not be worth the maintenance effort. Especially for your first pond.
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