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Old 01-04-2014, 07:53 PM   #2161
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I'm curious about these red wave Wavepoint bulbs. I have never seen a red wave bulb by them or is this the Ultra growth wave? Are they red like the UVL red sun or more of a pink color like the Geismann Aquaflora? I have been thinking of getting rid of the purple plus and adding a different red/pink bulb to my tank but not sure if I want to try a different brand as I already have a brand new Aquaflora on hand. I have also heard that UVL is going to discontinue the red sun bulb and if they are I would like no find an alternative bulb or I will be buying a few of them to have on hand as I really like the way it makes the tank look after the initial shock of first seeing it on my tank passed.

Edit: after looking some more I found a place that has the red wave but would still like to hear your thoughts on the look of the bulb.

http://www.aquacon.com/WavepointT5Lightbulbs.html
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Old 01-04-2014, 09:27 PM   #2162
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The URI's are crazy freaky red, the Red Wave look a bit more like old school pink gro lux bulbs.

"Ultra" etc, those terms are more for the 10-14 k range bulbs.


I doubt this has much to do some much with the reflection also, I've taken plants from my 180 and compared with the 120 Gallon, the same ferts, sediment, water, filtration, fish loading/feeding, tap water, % water changes etc.
CO2 is different, but both are pretty high there. O2 is similar.

In the same light, you can take a stem of different red plants, and under this new bulb configuration, the plants are visually redder.

I'd thought perhaps reflection alone would do this, and there's some truth to that. But if you take a stem out and compare from different bulbs types, you can see the difference.

There may be other reasons involved, but...........I'll soon see if the hypothesis is tentatively correct or false.
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Old 01-05-2014, 05:17 AM   #2163
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Update on the light configuration:

1 Giesemann Aquaflora, then a 2 Zoomed Flora then a 3 Sunwave Wavepoint, then a 4 Red Wave Wavepoint, then an 5 URI Red Sun, then a 6 Sunwave Wavepoint, then 7 Zoomed Flora and lastly a 8 Giesemann aquaflora.

The Red waves are nice if you cannot get the Zoomeds, I did not like the Ultra(the Zoomed 12000K versions) as much as the Sunwave from Wavepoint.
Zoomeds are top notch German bulbs for less cost than many Chinese bulbs.
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Old 01-06-2014, 06:30 AM   #2164
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New lighting:

PAR is virtually identical, but the red shift is a fair amount more.
Might be from a few newer bulb additions.
Seems I'd tried this but did not like it in the past, but today, I seem to like it for some reason, so it shall stay.










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Old 01-06-2014, 05:36 PM   #2165
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The color of the reds certainly pop with your new bulb combo. the current arrangement and height of stems is most appealing to me.
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Old 01-06-2014, 05:50 PM   #2166
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New lighting:

PAR is virtually identical, but the red shift is a fair amount more.
Might be from a few newer bulb additions.
Seems I'd tried this but did not like it in the past, but today, I seem to like it for some reason, so it shall stay.
How much PAR are you getting at the substrate? I think the new bulb configuration really makes the colours pop.
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Old 01-07-2014, 04:55 AM   #2167
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How much PAR are you getting at the substrate? I think the new bulb configuration really makes the colours pop.
110-140umol sediment
400-600 umol at the surface.

The range is wide due to the width of the hood vs the tank, hood is 18" and the tank is 30".

If the bulbs were spaced out say over 26", this would be ideal for this shaped tank, but that's not something the makers will offer for you.
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Old 01-08-2014, 05:34 AM   #2168
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Hacked most groups back today.





Not quite sure what type of Syngonanthus this is, I know I have a few that are S. "madiera"a dn one lago grande, but the short one does not look like the S. uaupes, but it also does not look like any of the others.

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Old 01-09-2014, 06:53 AM   #2169
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The Syngonanthus appears to be a new type, a short growing branch thing that is not S. uaupes or rio negro.

So that is cool.

I'll still try and get some uaupes or negro later, but.........this works well.
Appears to be easy to grow, like S belem etc.
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Old 01-12-2014, 07:55 AM   #2170
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Hacked some today.
Main issues overall:

1. Erio setaceum type 3 is doing well and is starting to regrow the tops and they are doing nicely. I had my doubts for a few weeks there.
But it'll come back and full recovery and hopefully be as nice as I have about 1 year or two ago or so:
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2. Other issue is the slow filling in of the EH on the Left corner. Perhaps finer ADA powder might help. It takes a while for it to really fill in compared to HC, Gloss, UG, etc. Which is good because then you do not need to trim it much.
But I'll need to be patient. At least it's staying much better rooted in this location than where the UG is now.


3. Sygonanthus on the left will fill in in due time. Not too worried about that. Thinking about changing the group shapes on that side some to better match the wood and growth patterns of the plant species.



4. Blood vomits. They just feel out of place in this scape. They have tripled in number and size. Nice little plant, but I have few sections where they can go effectively unfortunately.
If I get the real S uaupes, then they would be a natural or a mix of Monte Carlo in that sections, something bright green and low growing. Blood vomit will just not contrast well in this space.


5. Right corner has P stellata narrow right now, I wanted a yellow type of plant, but I might just fatten up the Erio type 3 as they grow out more.










Top view of the left Stump all "Mini Pelliaed"





Close up of the Elatine hydropiper. It has not uprooted much here even with all the critters poking around on it. The sediment is finer here and the water comes straight down on top of it.
Seems to do well even though there's less light in the corner. So maybe light is less a factor than I thought it was.





This is about where I had it before a year or two ago:


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Old 01-12-2014, 07:51 PM   #2171
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Update on the light configuration:

1 Giesemann Aquaflora, then a 2 Zoomed Flora then a 3 Sunwave Wavepoint, then a 4 Red Wave Wavepoint, then an 5 URI Red Sun, then a 6 Sunwave Wavepoint, then 7 Zoomed Flora and lastly a 8 Giesemann aquaflora.

The Red waves are nice if you cannot get the Zoomeds, I did not like the Ultra(the Zoomed 12000K versions) as much as the Sunwave from Wavepoint.
Zoomeds are top notch German bulbs for less cost than many Chinese bulbs.
Hey Tom,

Thank you for detailing your bulb choice. After this I'm currently rethinking my current fixture set up. I'm running 1 Giesemann Midday, 2 Giesemann Aquaflora and 1 Giesemann Midday. I've struggled with developing a strong red colour in my plants. I can purchase both the Zoomed and Wavepoint bulbs. With my 3 bulb fixture is there any suggestions you'd make?

I was thinking 1. Aquaflora 2. Sunwave Daylight (12,000K) and 1. Red wave? Thanks in advance for any suggestions / help.
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3 bulbs offers less mixing choices and such.

I'd likely use a Pair of Zoomed Flora's and then a Ultra(basically a white blue color).

You might do a Giesemann aquaflora in place of one of the Zoomed Floras also.
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Old 01-13-2014, 06:11 AM   #2173
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Different camera:





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Old 01-15-2014, 11:17 PM   #2174
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That's a lot of pink coming from the ati looks great tho
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Old 01-16-2014, 05:20 PM   #2175
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Yes a fair amount I'd say too, but........red is king.
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