What type of endler?

[resowner92]

well i was just wondering what type of endler i had in my tank that i originally bought as guppies

sorry if the pics are too big and blurry




thanks in advance

[eon17]

i dont think there is any way to tell with that kind of a photo...

[resowner92]

thats what i thought (but still wanted to try), oh well thanks anyway
but if anyone else has any info plz let me know

[Crystalview]

Here are several pages of pics of Endlers. Remember they do cross bread with guppies.
http://swampriveraquatics.com/

[eon17]

if you got em sold as gupps then they are probbably (99percent) mutts no specific type

[eyebeatbadgers]

Most Endler's Livebearers you buy from the pet store are going to be crossbreeds, but there is nothing wrong with that. I have a tank full of crossbreeds and they are far more beautiful than true endlers or guppies in my opinion. Just don't sell the offspring as pure Endler's and enjoy them! I'll be selling some of my mutts here in a month or so, mostly to my LFS, but I'll post some pics here for those interested.

[yoink]

Those are wild type guppies. They look very similar to endlers without the metalic colors.

[dr.tran]

those are just guppies but it is possible its a mix with a black bar or peacock but need more clear pictures for that.

[eon17]

guppps and endlers are the same species really

[ingg]

Originally Posted by eon17

guppps and endlers are the same species really

Quite a bit of debate about that one. Some folks say exactly that, and some vehemently say not.

I think Endlers were recently given their own latin name, which would mean they are separated from guppies in... umm... species ur genus or whatever it is when they are cousins, lol.... but I think that meant that they were finally recognized as their own.

I have two strains, one is black bar, one is peacock, and those peacocks breed almost exactly the same every time in the males, and not one has ever skipped the tail spot...makes me believe they are a distinct species.

[dr.tran]

Originally Posted by ingg

I have two strains, one is black bar, one is peacock, and those peacocks breed almost exactly the same every time in the males, and not one has ever skipped the tail spot...makes me believe they are a distinct species.

Well if it breeds pure, its a strain. What u rarely see is that there is some that are a mix type which is a colony of endlers that display all strains of endlers.

I have a wild colony, peacock, flametail, tux, center peacock, blackbar, and snake. Actually I have too much and I'm going to sell them pretty soon.

But from keeping so many N class endlers, I learned something, there are some very distinst differences between guppies and endlers that make them a different species. The tail of an endlers is more slender and thin while a guppy is more square. Then there are differences in the dorsal ray fin and the gonopodium

[neilfishguy]

Originally Posted by dr.tran

But from keeping so many N class endlers, I learned something, there are some very distinst differences between guppies and endlers that make them a different species. The tail of an endlers is more slender and thin while a guppy is more square. Then there are differences in the dorsal ray fin and the gonopodium

look at all the different variations of all types of live bearers there are MANY fin variations. Endlers are just a different "tribe" you could say of guppys. they were sperated and then developed differently. Oh wait-that cant be true! i forget, here in kanas ther aint no such think as evo-lution

[dr.tran]

I was talking about a number of rad dorsal spines and a different kind of spine that forms from a differnent type of homlogy.

They use this information to seperate different species.

"different tribes" are how species first start off