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Old 10-11-2013, 06:10 AM   #1
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NOV 2013: This plan was scrapped to allow the 23G tank to be utilized for a different build. Please see 23G Riparium

Hi there, thanks for visiting our 60P journal. This is our first tank of this format. All our other thanks are small, between 2G and 6G, to us 23-gallon is big

We picked up this tank in Sept 2013 through a group buy with the SCAPE Club.

It's a CAD Lights New ZEN 23-gallon and it is going on the counter between our kitchen and living room, visible from 3 sides.

I found some really wonderful layouts on tropica.com, #77 in particular struck my fancy. We will adapt this design using similar plants and fish, but we'll tailor the layout to our needs and goals using the materials we have on hand.

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Here are the stats of the setup as planned for now:
Aquarium: CAD Lights New ZEN
Volume: 23 G
Dimensions: 23.5" x 14" x 16" H
Substrate: AS Amazonia
Decoration: Manzanita Wood, Petrified Wood and/or Seiryu stone
Light: Dual 24" LED: Finnex FugeRay & Finnex Planted+ (or single BML Dutch 6300° LED)
Photo Period: 8 hours total (two 4-hour periods per day?) or as required
CO2: 5# Pressurized with Milwaukee solenoid regulator
Temperature: 77° F (or ambient So Cal)
Filter: single Eiheim 2215
Pipes: BorneoWild 13mm SS (or not...)
Fertilization: PPS-Pro
Intended Livestock: Neon tetra, H. Amandae, T. Espei, CAE with a few inverts including Amano shrimp, CPOs or P. allenii & snails
We'll probably start stocking conservatively, 5-7 of each fish & shrimp, a breeding pair of crays and a bunch of beneficial snails. If we could manage it, I think a mated pair of EBRs would be wonderful, but I'm not planning on it anytime soon.

Hardscape Items
Wood


Rocks


Here is how the wood looks in the tank

-there is a second small piece of manzanita woven in with the larger piece to fill in the front of the tank

I'm wondering what to do with this cut-end at the back

Do we:
-trim it down or off?
-obscure it with rock, plants and moss ?
-notch it and plant some rhizome plants on it ?

The Plants
Here is the tentative list of plants as it stands for now:
10 pots of HC (dwarf baby tears)
3 pots of E. tenellus (narrow leaf chain sword)
3 pots of E. acicularis (dwarf hair grass) - prefer E. parvula but can't find it
2 pots H. sibthorpioides - (dwarf pennywort) emersed, difficult I know...
H. leucocephala - emersed
H. pinnatifida
E. montevidensis (giant hair grass) - submerged to block intake tube
B. Japonica (have)
A. Bonsai (have)
S. repens (have)
-need to think out this list

We also have:
Microsorum pteropus 'Windeløv'
Aglaonema simplex
Aglaonema minima
Cryptocoryne ciliata
-but we may or may not use these in this tank...

The Plan
So, I am planning on dry starting this tank, soon; need to order a bunch of HC. The time of the year, coming into the "winter" in So Cal, probably isn't optimal, it gets real dry here in the winter.

I would dry start the HC, S. repens and mosses on wood, most likely trying the bio-yogurt method, which takes around 6 weeks or so, hopefully around the same time as it takes the HC to root.

I've been holding off on starting as I have some travel coming up and I don't want to risk loosing or restarting due to dry out or mold over; and then the holidays... I might be waiting till January or I could just flood on day 1.

I'll try to post updates as I make decisions or progress... might be slow going tho.

We welcome questions, comments and suggestions.

Last edited by octanejunkie; 12-09-2013 at 01:32 PM.. Reason: Updated: plans changed
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Old 10-11-2013, 06:33 AM   #2
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That's a nice piece of manzanita, how does it look if you spin it 180º? It might also look nice branching down like roots with the flat cut end parallel with the top of the tank. Anyway, can't wait to see what you come up with. PM me if you are looking for Seiryu stones, I have a cheap source.
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Old 10-11-2013, 01:23 PM   #3
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That's a nice piece of manzanita, how does it look if you spin it 180º? It might also look nice branching down like roots with the flat cut end parallel with the top of the tank. Anyway, can't wait to see what you come up with. PM me if you are looking for Seiryu stones, I have a cheap source.
Thanks Dan!

I did try the root type orientation originally, the piece is spread too wide to sit down in the tank nicely, IMO, and doesn't have the same 3-sided friendly view-ability, again IMO


Here is a shot from the kitchen angle


And an overhead shot
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I am looking for a tank pad and found sheets/rolls of Neoprene rubber might be more cost effective than an ADA Tank Mat

I found a seller on Amazon with varying thicknesses
here here
, I'm thinking about a sheet large enough to cut a few mats for several tanks out of using 1/4" thick material

Any thoughts?
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Old 10-11-2013, 01:52 PM   #5
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I am looking for a tank pad and found sheets/rolls of Neoprene rubber might be more cost effective than an ADA Tank Mat

I found a seller on Amazon with varying thicknesses here, I'm thinking about a sheet large enough to cut a few mats for several tanks out of using 1/4" thick material

Any thoughts?
I've used the rubber liners that are made for the inside of a drawer in tool chests. Works great and it's cheap.
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Old 10-11-2013, 03:02 PM   #6
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Looks nice so far.
I would leave out the CAE's and the P. Alleni though, they will attack your other fish.
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I've used the rubber liners that are made for the inside of a drawer in tool chests. Works great and it's cheap.
I picked up a 1/4" thick neoprene rubber floor mat measuring 24"x36" at Tuesday Morning for $15, it iwll do nicely

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Looks nice so far.
I would leave out the CAE's and the P. Alleni though, they will attack your other fish.
Thanks ray

I have 3 x CAEs in one tank with Platys, they seem super harmless...

I have no experience with Cray's other than the single CPO we have, and again, he seems harmless too... are P. Alleni more aggressive than CPO?
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I have 3 x CAEs in one tank with Platys, they seem super harmless...

I have no experience with Cray's other than the single CPO we have, and again, he seems harmless too... are P. Alleni more aggressive than CPO?
CAE grow to about a foot long and eat the bodyslime of other fish.

P. Alleni aren't really any more aggressive than CPOs, but they are much bigger at 6 or so inches, and therefore can make an easy meal from little neon-sized critters.
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CAE grow to about a foot long and eat the bodyslime of other fish.

P. Alleni aren't really any more aggressive than CPOs, but they are much bigger at 6 or so inches, and therefore can make an easy meal from little neon-sized critters.
I think I'll just stick with my CPO, Otos and Amanos
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Old 10-17-2013, 12:32 AM   #10
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Old 10-29-2013, 05:11 AM   #11
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Nothing to report on the build... still stalled to start

Supplies-wise
Picked up BorneoWild SS pipe set in 13mm
Ordered Finnex FugeRay Planted+ 24" w 10% coupon and free shipping
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Cool... dang, didn't even know the Planted+ is on presale now. So are you running two Planted+ lights? Or the regular Fugeray & Planted+?
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I'll probably start with one light and see how it goes... the regular FugeRay is growing hair algae on the taller stem leaves in our grow out tank and it's 8" above the surface
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Sorry to hear about the algae. How you addressing that?
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Hey can we have some pictures?
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